I suppose you’d have a defence if the collision was literally caused by the driver aid.
Of more concern is the possibility of being held responsible because you turned it off, but as they give you an option to do so you could argue you are just using the car’s features?
Sounds logical, but hope we never have to put the argument to the test.
You would have thought Artificial Intelligence would be on the side of non-essential “driver aids”.
AI
"Research suggests that prolonged exposure to screens can alter the structure of the prefrontal cortex, potentially affecting executive functions like working memory and adaptability.
While still debated, the term “digital dementia” is used to describe potential cognitive impairments like memory loss and attention deficits associated with excessive digital technology use."
I’m aware of some research into younger adults where their brain function has changed because some areas of the brain are simply redundant due to over reliance on tech.
Understood.
I don’t think I explained what I meant very well.
I wasn’t referring to the electronic handbrake or auto hold functions.
The technology that I meant is the reverse brake assist where the vehicle slams the anchors on unexpectedly and without warning when one is manoeuvring gently backwards. Whiplash, a sore neck and much cursing often ensues!
I was kind of hoping, at the start of the thread, that someone might have heard something from a credible source that ‘they’ve’ realised that drivers should come before whatever hokus pokus thing they’re virtue signalling about this week, and an announcement of the cessation of petrol/diesel ban was imminent (i.e, 'they’re going to say ‘let that petrol flow, baby’) and manufactures had straight 6s all lined up in the pipeline, and many of the driving ‘aids’ (not all, but the useless ones which aren’t really ready to be on cars yet) are getting binned.
Unfortunately, it seems not.
Got it, that happens when parking front in sometimes with me say with a wall in front or a bush! 
“Maneuver Braking”
Had to switch mine off.
I reverse on to a steep ish drive and the car always thinks I am trying to reverse in to a wall and slams on the brakes.
The ND1 is pretty good as the lane warning is only a buzz and it can be turned off by a simple switch. On later models I believe the lane warning tugs the steering wheel.
I think petrol or diesel will continue for a long time in non EU countries especially in undeveloped areas of the world. Most of the EU safety regs seem to be to protect the EU manufacturers from cheap basic car imports.
I thought this thread wasn’t about EV Hate/ EV Love. Turns out it was.
Yep, it’s the “tugs” to pull you back into the lane that I find difficult and obtrusive.
The thread is what people make it to be.
What happens in Asia and Europe dictates what happens in the rest of the world
China car sales: 26 million
Europe car sales: 12 million
India car sales: 4.1 million
Japan car sales: 3.9 million
US car sales: 3.1 million
The whole of Africa; 650,000 and declining
India has a policy not just to stop new sales of petrol/diesel, but to eliminate petrol/diesel cars entirely from the roads. Everytime I visit, I can believe it.
China and India are basically command economies. Central government decides industrial policy based on the economic needs of the country. That will dictate what will be sold there. What will be exported. What will be imported.
The OP wants to know what brand new petrol car can he buy after 2035. None. His option is a restomodded car. I haven’t heard of a ban extending to spare parts, including replacement motors.
There is a steady supply of new replica body shells from China. It would be possible to build, for instance, a new AE86 Corolla, with Toyota/BMW Supra running gear, bearing the chassis plate from Grandma’s 1.3 FWD Corolla.
People now build brand new Mk1 Escorts, registeered on a 25 plate. But you can get a heap of an Escort from Asia/Africa, and that gives you all you need for a fully refurbed 90$ new metal 1970 Escort. Like this grim example in Thailand for £1500
And then there are unibody body swaps; old or replica bodies on new running gear. Like comparing that brand new Wimpy house with the paper thin walls to that 70 year old, gutted and refurbed solid brick house.
I recently changed my 2013 Land Rover Defender for a 2021 new shape Defender and that has all the things that you are talking about, lane assist, turns off with one push of a button on the steering wheel, ACC that has never interfered although I altered the distance to medium just to see and it did work so I put it back to default, 8 speed auto which is brilliant and as soon as you come to a stop it goes into hold then the handbrake comes on and it doesn’t put the brake lights on, the stop/start is so smooth when test drove one my wife didn’t even notice that it stopped then started, unlike our 2023 ND2. Land Rover give you 1/2 day tuition for off road driving and all the gizmos made it so simple to use. Regarding the ADAS systems on new cars, if it’s below about a 1000 cars a year then it’s not compulsory, so Morgan doesn’t need to fit them, so that’s car for you, start at about £102,000 
What about actual dementia. My dad was diagnosed with AD in 2017, so he hung up the keys for good. His diagnosis was not preceeded by some personal crisis, such as being found lost, forgetting people, driving up the wrong way of the motorway. His driving was fine. But his short term memory was slipping, very subtly. A Minimental and scan confirmed.
5 years later, he was dead. I think his loss of independance contributed to that death. If self driving cars were available to him, who knows. I know he would have enjoyed the “take me home Jeeves” experience.
You would have hated my auto NC.
Have you tried a ZF8 box as fitted to some BMWs? My wife’s 2016 M240i convertible had a traditional handbrake and the autobox was excellent. Manual mode was impressive too, notwithstanding the push/pull action to change gear.
Her current 530e has the same box but an electronic hand brake.
‘Actual Dementia’
In similar vein my late father suffered brain damage after a severe heart attack 1996 [died enroute to hospital then shocked several times]. After 3 months rehab [had to learn to walk, talk etc] he took himself to a ‘practice village’ on the North York moors. Their conclusion was he still had good control of the vehicle but was unable to read the road and react fast enough so was not able to renew his licence
2006 he had another small heart attack so 2007 [complete with newly purchased Bullit] I moved in as his full time carer to prevent him having to go into a home which he would of hated
Don’t know about ‘take me home Jeeves’ experience, it was more ‘take me to X, Y, Z daughter’ and ‘except for getting in and out, I love your car, especially with the roof down’
Still me old dad [RAF retired Sqn Ldr electronics engineer]……still remembering bits and pieces of his life time knowledge…….and once he accepted I was there to help……..still no problems with issuing orders 
I suspect he would have loved doing same to a self driving vehicle [food for thought for me now as I become more cream crackered] 
Odd, but whilst the opening thread talked about what will I be able to buy with a manual handbrake and gearbox, part of me wishes I did like electric cars, and not feel crestfallen after experiencing three of them, as they are in the face of ballooning new car prices. I’d love to get £10-15 thousand pounds of a car I desired, because no one really wants them!
Lane departure warning (LDW) and lane keep assist are different features. LDW on the ND1 at least can be turned off with a button push (and stays off IIRC). No problem with that beyond the yellow warning lamp that fooled me into thinking the DSC was off.
Yes, lane kill assist is totally different. Kill assist is a ridiculous ‘safety’ issue which is rampant across many a forum covering many a car. Check out the mg4 one lol Like many of them, a good idea on the corporate computer to ‘satisfy’ EU regs and whatever thing it is this week, but not so much in reality of experiencing it. They stuck it on the up! gti a few years on into production. Its implementation another one to read up on if you’re in the mood for some hair raising stories.
I recall the lane DEPARTURE beeper when I test drove an ND back in '18. Kept beeping all the time, spoiling a decent country road. I didn’t know how to turn it off, as I was on my own on the test drive. Thankfully my ND hasn’t got that. But like you mentioned a totally different beast to lane kill assist.
I agree- by all means warn me if I’m wandering out of lane , but actively turning the wheels to “steer” the car- that’s completely different
