Maybe ND owners have a mental age of over twelve ? Mess around in t car as much as you like , who doesn’t love a bit of sideways action etc but FFS don’t do it in public. I once had the misfortune of being caught up in the Japfest queue while en route to a CSCC race meeting at Silverstone . I was amazed that some folk in Skylines think it’s fine - in a residential area at 7-30 am on a Sunday - to bang the car on the rev limiter in stationary traffic or show off their kickass speakers .