Bilstein Shocks

 Hey peeps,

Yesterday after cleaning the 5 I noticed how ‘bouncy’ the car and how much she moves if you lean on the car or something like that, now to me that shows that the dampers might be on their way out so will need replacing! Now I looked online and on many many websites and was tempted by coilovers but I have decided not to lower her at all so I think that new dampers will do just fine, so looked at the Bilstein dampers that came on some models and which you can still buy new {#emotions_dlg.smile}

So can anyone chime in with their views on the Bilsteins and maybe offer a different route to take or any other dampers out there {#emotions_dlg.smile}

I’ve not long put a set of Mk2 Bilsteins on my Mk1. But i have put coil covers on as well. I could have put Mk2 springs on also but thought i may as well have the option of adjusting them. Well happy with the ride & handling.

Some consider the combination of 4xCompression rate/1xRebound rate (over standard) to make the Bilstein ill suited to UK roads (due to uneven road surfaces); I personally think a well set up Bilstein car with factory springs rides just fine. MX5s are not boulevard cruisers, and the S-Specials are supposed to be the sportier variant.

The factory Bilstein shock has an aluminium lower spring perch about 10mm lower than the standard Showa shock, although the springs are a very similar spec to standard. The overall effect is to lower the car by about 10mm. Mazda then fitted modified track rod ends to Bilstein cars, to correct the steering geometry and reduce the bump steer that would result when lowering a car. All very carefully thought out.

All OE replacement shocks are intended to replace the Showa shock absorber, not the Bilstein. KYB go so far, in the US, to state that their popular AGX line of shocks should not be fitted to R-Package Miatas (the US equivalent to the S-Special), I suspect due to this height change; the car would be raised slightly, and the steering geometry would be…??

Bilsteins do not slowly “go off” like standard shocks; when they go, they go, so possibly there is nothing wrong with the shocks (look for a shock that looks wet, if a seal has failed). With a coilover kit (technically, all MX5s are on coilovers, but people really mean adjustable coilovers), you have the option to set the height to what you want; you could set it to your existing height.

I’ve had P5 Puredrive coilovers since 2008; in that time, I have only had cause to touch the height setting once. The car is more or less at the height I got the car at, which was on Bilsteins and some unbranded Japanese lowering spring, which means it wasn’t lowered all that much.

Shocks that come with rebound adjustment; fine if you are lowering the car, or are wanting to switch between track and road use, but its another feature that probably 80-90% of users never touch, once they have decided on the initial settings. But, beware of cheap coilover kits masquerading as uprated shocks without rebound adjustment; these are just a cheap strut cartridge for a Nissan or something, inside a Mazda specific tube. They can’t control the spring when lowered, and so some sharp witted users will complain of a “bouncy ride” or similar. The Tein Basics are uprated.

Another factor to consider when changing the shocks is how good are your springs; MX5 springs tend to crack at the top when aged, and the labour needed to change them is the same as changing the shocks. If you are labouring yourself, the extra work doesn’t really matter, but if you are paying someone else to do the work, worth bearing that in mind. Replacement springs are relatively cheap.

If your springs are in good nick (ie. NO rust), and you are otherwise happy with Bilsteins, I would consider replacing like for like, and retaining originality while you can. An alternative approach, if you can afford for the car to be off the road for a period, is to get Eibach UK (Bilstein UK) in Leicester (KBSS Ltd, Unit 3, Swannington Road, Broughton Abbey, Leicestershire, LE9 6TU. Tel:01455283407) to refurbish the shocks back to factory spec. They used to charge £55-60 plus VAT per shock, £288 for all 4 shocks, compared to £455 for 4 new Bilsteins from MX5parts. Apparently it take a fortnight , depending on how busy they are.

I have found, in the past, that provided you renew split bump stop gaiters, these shocks can be very long lived. I am not sure about the longevity of any of the other aftermarket shocks, with the exception of Koni and KYB, because they are essentially boutique shock manufacturers by comparison, and can’t possibly put anywhere as near the amount of development as Bilstein did.

Your choice will probably be determined by how you can do, how long/how you use your car and the state of your springs. New Mazda springs will probably be around £200, and bumpstop/gaiters will be another £100 for 4.

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That is a amazing response AT!! Just what I was looking for, I had actually forgotten about the P5 suspension kit as I have heard some good stuff about them.

What are your thoughts about the P5s and how do you find them? I might indeed go for the P5s as well {#emotions_dlg.smile}

Firstly, the P5 Puredrive kit is no more; its been replaced by the Sportdrive kit, which is higher specc’d, plus Phil has taken more of the design in house. The Puredrive has been superceded by cheaper Asian imported kits.

The Puredrive kit consisted of bespoke Protec aluminium shocks, pigtailed springs, and bumpstops, fitted with Mk2 top mounts.

The shocks were fitted in 2008, and have done about 60k kms since. I would say its probably one of the highest mileage Puredrive installs out there,

In 4 years, I’ve had a couple of issues with the shocks; a seal blew out on one of the rear shocks, and one of the adjusters seized up. Both were attended to under warranty. The former,  I handled the return through P5, and frankly, it should have been much quicker. P5 did though loan me a shock, to keep me on the road. But there may have been mitigating factors. The other shock, as a result of that experience, was returned direct to Protec, who did the turn around in about 10 days (as I recall); no loan shock provided. Sometime in the near future, I will be removing them, and seeing how much Protec will charge to give them the once over.

The adjuster issue is easy to get around if you keep a good coating of grease on the knob; the problem, in my view, was caused by mixing an anodized aluminium shock body, a brass adjust, and an aluminium adjuster knob. Protec really should have fitted the shocks with some sort of protective rubber boot. They claim this issue has only affected MX5s, and they’ve not seen the same problems with TVRs.

While the Puredrive kit is no longer available, Protec do now supply directly a MX5 specific shock. When I last spoke to them, they said their new shocks have undergone NATO spec corrosion testing. I have to say, the clear anodized finish has held up perfectly over the years. I know Protec can supply the shock with a bigger spring perch, to take the stock 3.7" OD spring (it was an option I considered before going with the Mk2 top mounts).

 

My understanding is that decent coilover kits are produced as matched sets; one set will be a bit different from another set. When my Protecs go back to Protec for a rebuild/service, Protec will refer to the original 2008 dyno results. So, if worrying about warranty support, there are a few things to think about. If you need shocks returned under warranty, do they repair or replace. If replace, they really should replace the whole set, or at the very least, the same axle pair. If repair, whats the turn around time, be clear on the returns process (to avoid misunderstanding), and how do you stay mobile. Note, no warranty will include any labour costs to remove/refit shocks; though I expect if the supplier has a workshop, they should be able to do that work gratis. Unfortunately, Protec is in Wiltshire, too far for me, and P5’s place wasn’t convenient. If the shocks are imported, what exactly is the returns policy. I would be quite concerned if a reseller thought it was ok just to swap a single shock over, and that they really should have available dyno results of shocks to show the set is matched. If the shocks are imported, does the reseller have the capability to properly undertake repairs and servicing of shocks?

That really is another awesome response so thank you, think I will contact P5 about their Sportdrive kit but I will still look into the Bilsteins. Thumbs up

I recently put a set of Mk2 Bilsteins (complete with original springs and topmounts) on a VR-Limited customer car, it jacked the car up quite a lot but it drove beautifully, customer decided he wanted it lower and bought a set of -40mm PI lowering springs which I then fitted for him, I have to say it looks fantastic and he absolutely loves it but does admit the shorter springs have firmed-up the ride a but too much for very long journeys.

See the difference in spring length (rears shown):