Car bounces over bumps, need advice.

Iv just recently bought a Eunos Roadster and managed to get it taxed this weekend so went for a spin. There seems to be something majorly wrong with the suspension as the car bounces about over the bumps way too much for comfort. The rear is almost lifting up over bumps and as a result the revs will jump up in time with the bounces. Not very good at all and very sketchy…If you push down on the rear when the car is stopped it will spring back up and keep bouncing for a second whereas on my dad’s MKII the car comes back up and settles down straight away.

The car was lowered before it was imported into this country so I have no idea how much it was dropped by and what was actually replaced/upgraded.

Check these pics…

As you can see it is fairly low.

Strut towers have been painted red, seems to be greenish colour underneath.

Pic of the front springs, oh dear.

and the rears.

I take it that’s not looking too good? I guess I will have to replace at least the springs but it’s likely there is wear on the shocks as well. I really need some advice though as I have no idea what to buy as replacements. I don’t have lots and lots of money to spend but would still like to keep it lowered, need help!!!

 

Many thanks.

  1. Strut tower brace; someone has gone around painting stuff red without taking them off.

  2. Fairly typical aftermarket japanese springs; coils have bound.

  3. Most probably a shock seal has blown; any wetness on   the wishbones etc.

 

The springs might be salvageable, if you are desperate; new shocks needed. Recommend you go for adjustables such as KYBs. New shocks on these lowering springs will still result in a bouncy ride. But you can get lowering springs for about £100-120 (eg Teins).

So your saying I should go for four of these bad boys?

http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/577

…with some lowering springs like these…

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAZDA-MX5-90-98-TEIN-S-TECH-LOWERING-SPRING-KIT-/290303385970?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43976e2172

…or similar…

http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/445

 

What about a whole set of Koni shocks and springs??

http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/1578

Looks more wallet friendly but is it false economy??

Cheers.

 AGXs are more like a budge adjustable shock (ignoring the Chinese made shocks appearing under various brands on ebay) than Koni. Tein, Eibach and Koni springs might not lower as much as your present car is set up; I think a nominal 30-35mm lower than a standard 1990-93 car (which is used as a standard), Teins might be 40mm. Getting the Mazda-Bilstein shocks might drop another 10mm (see MX5parts), because of the slightly different spring perch. Or an adjustable coilover set (Spring perches are on threads); allow £5-600 for a decent quality set, £2-300 for a Chinese kit (which are too soft).

 

However, if you want a lowered car (and your car does look quite lowered; post a measurement, front and rear, of the wheel arch to wheel centre), accept you will have to have a bone hard ride (to minimise the bump stops bottoming out)…unless you start thinking about modified top mounts, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

Im not too bothered about keeping it as low as it is now, so long as it is lower than standard then I will be happy.

Someone here has kindly offered me a full set of Mazda Bilstein’s and
springs taken off a 1998 6 speed RS 1.8 for £250. Does this sound like a good
deal and will they bolt straight on to my Eunos?

Thinking about those Bilstein’s with the Eibach lowering springs too.

Thanks for the advice.Thumbs up

 Its an ok deal. You need to make sure they come with the Mk2 top mounts and bushes (if not included, these are about £100 for the full set from Mazda). The car will not ride particularly low on these (in fact, it may look fairly standard).  If you are looking for lowering springs, be sure to get the Mk2 version; Mk1 springs will not fit to Mk2 shocks.

He said that they do come with the top mounts. I would like to keep it lower than standard so add £130 for new lowering springs to the £250 for the shocks and Im already at £380. I can get a full Koni kit for £340…

What are your thoughts on this full Koni kit?? Is it junk?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Koni-1110-7029-STRT-Suspension-Kit-Mazda-MX5-1989-1997-/180499810607?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a06a0892f

Also what benefits would going for an adjustable coilover set really give me?? I do intend to do some track days in the future and possibly some amature racing (hillclimbs maybe) but mainly the car will be used for B road fun and games so are adjustable coilovers overkill? Especially as I don’t have lots to spend.

These GAZ coilovers look quite reasonable…

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270570843271&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Sorry for the persistant questions but I am in a world of confusion over what to purchase and I want to get it done asap so I can start enjoying my Roadster!!

 

 

First off, anyone using used suspension does so at their own risk.

Can’t tell you if its “junk” or not, but Koni have a pretty good reputation. But, you will get a better ride on the Mk2 Bilsteins than on the Mk1 Konis, because of the increased Mk2 shock travel. Lowered Mk1s suffer from riding around on the bumpstops.

Controversially, I’m going to say for 95% of people, none. There are those looking for a certain ride height, for aesthetic reasons. The adjustable seats allow this, though really, they ought to corner weight as well. Bounce/Compression knobs; the only time I’ve bothered to reset these on my Performance5 Puredrive Protecs was when some cold weather caused the shocks to become overly stiff. I’ve never bothered to change the spring perch settings from the setting recommended by Performance5.

 

If you fit the Mazda Billies, even the Mk2 versions, chances are you could get away from not being put into a modified road going class, which if you are looking for position, can be pretty depressing in hillclimbs/sprints (typically, you’d be up against barely road legal stipped out Minis and Novas arriving on trailers…). I’m not going to do your price negotiating for you, but lets just say, you could try a bit harder on those Billies.

GAZ, like Protec, are a tiny tiny company, compared to Koni et al. Which means, like Protec, you’ll get a shock with a lot of bespoke features. But you will also get more than your fair share of issues to do with low production numbers, inadequate testing,  inadequate spares support and so forth. Got a problem with the shock? Unlike a Koni etc, which will be just swapped from stock, in all probability, you will have to put up with the car being on bricks, while they fix the shock for you. I wish I could sing the praises of a British company; but these GAZ and Protech products are really aimed at a different market from Koni etc. Packed with features, for sure, and you can probably set up your MX5 beautifully with them, but don’t expect to use them flogging up and down the motorway.

 

GAZ and Protec have their share of problems. I didn’t go for GAZ, because I wasn’t impressed with their zinc plating for corrosion protection, and the less than adequate design, which lead me to believe their original testing had been done on 1 car (eg. wrong nuts sent out with cars, leading to rattling shocks)… I took a plunge with the Protec kit, because, on the face of it, it had excellent corrosion resistance, and seemed to have undergone quite a bit of development, plus Protec have an excellent reputation with the TVR crowd. 2 years on; the shocks are still very shiney, with nice clean threads. Unfortunately, the adjusters are seizing up, due to electrolytic corrosion (in my opinion; Protec disagree, and claim these problems are only happening on MX5s, not on TVRs). I’ve had 1 seal failure, and a shock returned for adjuster replacement. The turnaround is about as quick as I expect.

 

Now Protec(h) are apparently coming out with an improved shock design for the MX5, to go with the 2.5" springs. New knobs and extensive salt testing seem to have “cured” the issues (well, apparently 20,000 miles of simulated salt testing resulted in a shock with a still functioning knob). Annoyingly, the new knobs cannot be retrofitted to earlier designs (here’s an opportunity for anyone out there; come up with a rubber knob cover for Protechs (and Gazs); Protec will bite your hand off)… I dare say there are similar gradual improvements with GAZ shocks, and someone will be here to sing their praises.

 

Fact remains, none of these small manufacturers can get the same kind of componant testing as Koni, Bilstein, Showa, Tokico and KYB, all of whom are OE suppliers. Most aftermarket Japanese brands actually use versions of mainstream shocks, to maintain reliability and a modicum of QC. Chinese shocks tend to be copies of these mainstream shocks, which means you won’t get failure due to poor design, but more likely to poor workmanship (shock eye welds breaking off) and/or poor material (changes in seal material specs). I’ll put in a mention for Tein as well, which I think don’t use KYB etc bits. They are quite expensive (seems to be more a case of trading in on a name than anything else), but they don’t seem to hold up to use in the UK well (painted steel bodys, seem to corrode quite easily, like KYBs. On the other hand, a set of steel Bilsteins I had were still in very good condition after 7 years of UK winters). The Korean and taiwanese shocks in circulation are a bit of a unknown quantity, but I suspect most of the users of these aren’t all that concerned with ultimate life when used everyday.

Not sure thats done anything to make it clearer for you; I suggest you have a good look through the many many user reviews over on Miataforum, to get a balanced view.

 

The price for the Billies was including delivery as well but I think I want to buy brand new shocks and springs tbh. Just feel better knowing iv got a warranty…

Iv found out that the Koni STR.T kit is basically the entry level shock that Koni offer and while good value, it may not be the best option in terms of performence or quality. Saying that it would no doubt be a LOT better than it is at the moment…

I think I will forget about adjustable coilovers as I do not really want or require adjustability.

Thank you very much for taking the time to give me advice and for putting up with my ignorance. While I still may not be clear as to what exactly I am going to buy you have helped me out a great deal in narrowing down my options.

Anyway I think Iv narrowed it down to several options…

  1. Buy the Koni STR.T kit and be done with it. £340

  2. Buy individual shocks like the KYB AGX’s or non adjustable KYB’s and fit Eibach Sport springs. £520/480

  3. Buy standard Mx5 MKI shocks and fit Eibach lowering springs??? £420

Time to decide…

Thanks again for your help.Thumbs up

 

Is there an anti lift kit avaliable to buy for the mx5? 

 

 

 

No.

 

This is more usually found with Subarus, which I guess need them.