Correct oil for my 2.0 Sport nc

Hello experts! ??. I’ve been trying to buy the right engine oil for my car so I popped down to my local motorist discount shop and the guy sold me some 5w/30w and I thought that was that. Then I looked on this forum and someone said it needs to be A3 or A5 spec (no idea what that means). Anyway, I looked at the bottle I’d just purchased and there was a reference to A1 - so I assumed that it wasn’t good enough and took it back. Then we looked at what else there was in the shop and I left with some A5 spec, but now it’s 5w/40w. Am I right in thinking that this will be ok? Advice please before I top up with the wrong oil! Thank you.

 

You need 5/30 fully synthetic.

Oh thanks Nick but what’s this A3/A5 business about?

To be honest I do not know. If you buy a reputable brand of 5-30 fully synthetic then you will be fine. I use Mobil.

A3/A5 are the ACEA numbers, like the API numbers. From memory an A5 oil is fuel efficient compared to an A3 or something like that.

Blimey I’m still none the wiser but as long as the A3 thing isn’t important, that’s good enough for me. Just finally, I take it that isnIS important to not to use 5-40? I assumed that as the range was greater than 5-30, it would cater for those cats as well as others with less tolerant engines.

I’m non the wiser from your last post. Can you repost the comment to explain exactly what you want to know as it was somewhat confusing.

I bought some 5/40 oil instead of 5/30 as it had the correct ACEA number/rating. I did so on the assumption that as 5 to 40 is a wider range than, and includes, 5 to thirty, that it would be ok for my car. Is this correct or do I specifically need to buy 5/30 oil (fully synthetic too, it seems). Thanks.

 

Yeah, it can be confusing but for a MK3 you do need 5/30 fully synthetic, Mobil is as good a brand as any to go for.

What’s written on your oil bottle and what does it mean.

To be blunt about the subject, if a bottle of oil does not contain the following basic information then DO NOT buy it look for something that does!

1) The purpose for which it is intended (i.e. Motor oil, Gear oil etc)

2) The viscosity (i.e. 10w-40, 5w-30 etc for Motor oils and 80w-90, 75w-90 etc for Gear oils)

3) The specifications that it meets (should contain both API and ACEA ratings)

4) The OEM Approvals that it carries and the codes (i.e. MB229.3, VW503.00, BMW LL01 etc)

Ignore the marketing blurb on the label it is in many cases meaningless and I will explain later what statements you should treat this with some scepticism

So, what does the above information mean and why is it important?

THE BASICS

All oils are intended for an application and in general are not interchangeable. You would not for example put an Automatic Transmission Oil or a Gear Oil in your engine! It is important to know what the oils intended purpose is.

VISCOSITY

Most oils on the shelves today are ?Multigrades?, which simply means that the oil falls into 2 viscosity grades (i.e. 10w-40 etc)

Multigrades were first developed some 50 years ago to avoid the old routine of using a thinner oil in winter and a thicker oil in summer.

In a 10w-40 for example the 10w bit (W = winter, not weight or watt or anything else for that matter) simply means that the oil must have a certain maximum viscosity/flow at low temperature. The lower the ?W? number the better the oils cold temperature/cold start performance.

The 40 in a 10w-40 simply means that the oil must fall within certain viscosity limits at 100 degC. This is a fixed limit and all oils that end in 40 must achieve these limits. Once again the lower the number the thinner the oil, a 30 oil is thinner than a 40 oil at 100 degC etc. Your handbook will specify whether a 30, 40 or 50 etc is required. 

SPECIFICATIONS

Specifications are important as these indicate the performance of the oil and whether they have met or passed the latest tests or whether the formulation is effectively obsolete or out of date.
There are two specifications that you should look for on any oil bottle and these are API (American Petroleum Institute) and ACEA (Association des Constructeurs Europeens d?Automobiles) all good oils should contain both of these and an understanding of what they mean is important.

API

This is the more basic as it is split (for passenger cars) into two catagories. S = Petrol and C = Diesel, most oils carry both petrol (S) and diesel (C) specifications.

The following table shows how up to date the specifications the oil are:

PETROL

SG - Introduced 1989 has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge.

SH - Introduced 1993 has same engine tests as SG, but includes phosphorus limit 0.12%, together with control of foam, volatility and shear stability.

SJ - Introduced 1996 has the same engine tests as SG/SH, but phosphorus limit 0.10% together with variation on volatility limits

SL - Introduced 2001, all new engine tests reflective of modern engine designs meeting current emissions standards

SM - Introduced November 2004, improved oxidation resistance, deposit protection and wear protection, also better low temperature performance over the life of the oil compared to previous categories.

Note:

All specifications prior to SL are now obsolete and although suitable for some older vehicles are more than 10 years old and do not provide the same level of performance or protection as the more up to date SL and SM specifications. 

DIESEL

CD - Introduced 1955, international standard for turbo diesel engine oils for many years, uses single cylinder test engine only

CE - Introduced 1984, improved control of oil consumption, oil thickening, piston deposits and wear, uses additional multi cylinder test engines

CF4 - Introduced 1990, further improvements in control of oil consumption and piston deposits, uses low emission test engine

CF - Introduced 1994, modernised version of CD, reverts to single cylinder low emission test engine. Intended for certain indirect injection engines

CF2 - Introduced 1994, defines effective control of cylinder deposits and ring face scuffing, intended for 2 stroke diesel engines

CG4 - Introduced 1994, development of CF4 giving improved control of piston deposits, wear, oxidation stability and soot entrainment. Uses low sulphur diesel fuel in engine tests

CH4 - Introduced 1998, development of CG4, giving further improvements in control of soot related wear and piston deposits, uses more comprehensive engine test program to include low and high sulphur fuels

CI4 Introduced 2002, developed to meet 2004 emission standards, may be used where EGR ( exhaust gas recirculation ) systems are fitted and with fuel containing up to 0.5 % sulphur. May be used where API CD, CE, CF4, CG4 and CH4 oils are specified.

Note:

All specifications prior to CH4 are now obsolete and although suitable for some older vehicles are more than 10 years old and do not provide the same level of performance or protection as the more up to date CH4 & CI4 specifications. 

If you want a better more up to date oil specification then look for SL, SM, CH4, CI4 

ACEA

This is the European equivalent of API (US) and is more specific in what the performance of the oil actually is. A = Petrol, B = Diesel and C = Catalyst compatible or low SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur).

Unlike API the ACEA specs are split into performance/application catagories as follows:

A1 Fuel economy petrol
A2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
A3 High performance and/or extended drain
A4 Reserved for future use in certain direct injection engines
A5 Combines A1 fuel economy with A3 performance

B1 Fuel economy diesel
B2 Standard performance level (now obsolete)
B3 High performance and/or extended drain
B4 For direct injection car diesel engines
B5 Combines B1 fuel economy with B3/B4 performance

C1-04 Petrol and Light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 low SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C2-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible.
C3-04 Petrol and light duty Diesel engines, based on A5/B5-04 mid SAPS, two way catalyst compatible, Higher performance levels due to higher HTHS.

Note: SAPS = Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur.

Put simply, A3/B3, A5/B5 and C3 oils are the better quality, stay in grade performance oils.

APPROVALS

Many oils mention various OEM?s on the bottle, the most common in the UK being VW, MB or BMW but do not be misled into thinking that you are buying a top oil because of this.

Oil Companies send their oils to OEM?s for approval however some older specs are easily achieved and can be done so with the cheapest of mineral oils. Newer specifications are always more up to date and better quality/performance than the older ones.

Some of the older OEM specifications are listed here and depending on the performance level of your car are best ignored if you are looking for a quality high performance oil:

VW ? 500.00, 501.00 and 505.00

Later specs like 503, 504, 506 and 507 are better performing more up to date oils

MB ? 229.1

Later specs like 229.3 and 229.5 are better performing more up to date oils.

BMW ? LL98

Later specs like LL01 and LL04 are better performing more up to date oils. 


FINALLY

Certain statements are made that are meaningless and just marketing blurb, here are a few to avoid!

Recommended for use where???
May be used where the following specifications apply???
Approved by???..(but with no qualification)
Recommended/Approved by (some famous person, these endorsements are paid for)
Racing/Track formula (but with no supporting evidence)

Also be wary of statements like ?synthetic blend? if you are looking for a fully synthetic oil as this will merely be a semi-synthetic.

Like everything in life, you get what you pay for and the cheaper the oil the cheaper the ingredients and lower the performance levels.

Bit long winded, but hope it helps

 

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What a fantastic and comprehensive response! I can’t thank you enough - I feel I actually know what I’m doing now! I’ll pop out to the car and give my oil bottle the once-over and in all probability, get rid! Thanks again Nick and Jane.

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I ended up buying 5 litres of Mobil 3000 and getting 10% off with OC discount. Thanks for your help.

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Result, enough for a change and a bit left for top ups. Well done.

^^^ That’s my choice too (Halfords) they sometimes have it on offer, around £24 ish, normally around £30.

So 7 years later, I am asking myself this question and figure it might help someone to share my conclusion. My owner’s handbook (for a '56 plate 2.0 litre) specifies oil complying with ACEA A3/A5.
Cheapest fully synthetic I can find today for this is Mannol, a reputable brand, £18.99 for 5 litres on ebay:

This Mannol product also complies with Ford specification WSS M2 C913, which makes sense to me given that the NC engine is said to have been co-developed with the Ford Duratec equivalents. Previously I’ve used ACEA A3/A5 and WSS M2 C913 compliant variants of Mobil Super 3000, Castrol Magnatec, and even Ford own-brand.

I use mannol as a flushing oil, you can buy 20l drums of it off Ebay for around £50. I then drain and fill with 5w30 mobil1 as my service oil, but when it comes to oil changes I’m a bit ocd.

That seems to be an ok spec for the NC. Personally I’ve never heard of Mannol, I have now, been around for quite some time, Google says Germany supplier.