Covid vaccines for over 60s

I don’t know what link she followed but it’s all done now. I’ll mention to her to find out if it can be ammended later thanks.

Fun and games this weekend try to help her out from 125 miles away, wife mainly getting involved more than me. At one point we told her come to us, get your jab done go back home, rinse and repeat in 12 weeks, ok not really but we do miss her visits.

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Because I’m over 60, with atrial fibrillation, type 2 diabetes AND I’m a front line health worker, I was lucky enough to get my first jab 11/1/21

No side effects other than a stiff arm for 24 hours, can wait for my 2nd

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Those populations who are only taking up the jab at a 50% rate will still blame the NHS and whoever else they can for the fact that they will have higher rates of Covid, and will still want to stay in this country.

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Vaccination is voluntary NOT obligatory. If they’re British citizens it’s their choice and there’s nothing anyone can do about. It’s their country, not “this” country, just the same as it’s yours and mine.

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I jumped at the chance to get the vaccine to protect myself, my loved ones and everyone else. If someone choses not to have it then it worries me very little that they don’t want to protect themselves.

What worries me is the fact that it makes the rest of us more vulnerable. Also the increased strain on and cost for the NHS will make healthcare for any condition more difficult to access and more expensive.

The sooner we can get through this pandemic the more freedom we will have and the sooner the country as a whole can recover.

Those people choosing not to have the vaccine are extending the limits imposed on our freedom and will in the long term affect our wealth due to increased taxes and probably lower pension and other benefits.

Yes it is voluntary not obligatory. However choosing not to have it is a poor decision and antisocial. Perhaps anyone testing positive having not taken up the vaccination option and not having isolated could be given an ASBO.

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All true. I don’t disagree, except that they could choose to have the jab for the greater benefit, as well as their own benefit. And those who don’t have the jab and get ill should only blame themselves, not the NHS or the government. It’ll be interesting to see how the idea of ID cards pans out once unvaccinated people start to be refused entry to public places, including, perhaps, their places of work.

2020 , that was early :flushed::flushed::flushed:

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Have “they” been blaming the NHS or the government? I’ve not seen anything that would substantiate that claim. I do agree that having the jab is for the good of the nation as a whole and that more should be done to counter the negative views held by some people. How that is done is something that must be carefully arrived at, there must be a measured balance between an individual’s personal rights and their responsibilities to society and the nation.

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Just had the Astra Zeneca jab. So far so good.

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You were the first person to use the word “they”. I assumed you were comfortable with it, as opposed to “those who choose not to have the vaccine”, which is what I mean by “they”.

I haven’t heard of the anti vaxxers blaming the government. In fact I can’t think of any logical reason why they should turn down the vaccine. As to how they can be persuaded to get vaccinated I have no idea. Scientific and statistical evidence doesn’t seem to be making any difference. Unfortunately I think the only thing that may persuade them is seeing every increasing numbers of their communities getting seriously ill and dying.

Civil liberty and personal rights are important but surely it should be possible to allow those who have been vaccinated more freedom than those who haven’t. There are countries which you cannot visit without documented yellow fever protection. There are already regulations for testing and quarantine for international travel.

Actually BARMY1 you used the term ‘they’ later in the same sentence after the term ‘those who choose not to have the vaccine’. I believe Countryboy was simply reusing the same term as you had used in his reply.

In response to what you are now thinking, yes I am a pedantic old git and proud of it. :wink:

In all seriousness I think we are all very much in agreement on most of the points raised in this thread. Debate is good but arguing about minor details isn’t really worthwhile. We are all happy to have had our vaccines, we are happy to see the rapid progress of the vaccination program and we would all like to see as many of the population vaccinated as possible.

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Really? Your first use of the word was clearly pointing to “those populations” and implying that if they failed to take up the vaccine “and still want to stay in this country” they should not. My first use of the word was in response to your comments, not vice versa!

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Closed at request of OP.

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