DVR Dual camera sat nav rear view mirror thingy

OK folks, this is my latest modification to the 1800GT. Not quite finished but I wanted to get something written, with pictures, that I can add to as I complete the install. A few weeks ago, MIATATOMATO on here, posted about his new hood that had no rear window, his solution (if he felt it necessary) was to install a rear view camera/ mirror gizmo. This got me thinking. I looked on Amazon, eBay etc at this type of thing and there are hundreds to go at. From my searching, I put together a list of what I though I needed plus some “nice to have” features. I looked at upgrading my current head unit anyway, so needed to replicate the functionality as much as possible, details here;

https://www.mx5oc.co.uk/forum/yaf_postst95758_NC1-Pumpkin-audio-install.aspx

but kept going back to the mirror thing. A lot of these have two rubber straps that hold the DVR onto the existing mirror and a myriad of cables come off them for power supply, rear camera, GPS etc (well, not quite a myriad maybe) but there you go. There are other ones that fit on the dash in a rubberised plinth with a forward facing camera plus all the connection wires as previously mentioned and no way to conceal the wires properly. Or, the head unit upgrade option was also a consideration.

I wanted;

  • Android
  • full handsfree mobile phone
  • phonebook transfer
  • GPS
  • Bluetooth
  • FM transmitter
  • Front camera
  • Rear camera
  • hardwired power etc
  • picture in picture
  • mirror rear view from camera (wide angle)
  • Built in WiFi
  • Sim card for Internet 
Plus any other features that might come with the unit decided upon. I have removed my pumpkin head unit shown in the above link and i've  decided to put back the OEM non Bose unit. The idea being that I'll initially try the FM transmitter on the new DVR to the OEM unit with Spotify loaded onto the mirror. It does have a speaker but only 2w mono, so not expecting too much from that, failing that being of sufficient quality, the mx5parts Bluetooth module to link the mirror to the OEM unit is available.

In the end I bought this,

This is the unit I purchased in the end,

 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Podofo-Monitor-Dashcam-Vehicle-Rearview/dp/B077GLX1YY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1528802597&sr=8-2&keywords=podofo+dash+cam

So far, my thoughts are, (not fully installed yet), the packaging is high quality, the very rigid box it comes in has a flap held in place with magnets and covered in fairly plain printed paper ( understated) with essential info on, the mirror itself has a very nice weight and looks and feels high quality, both mirror, front lens and rear camera came with protective films over them. Inside the box, semi rigid foam holds the mirror in place while underneath a cardboard cover are all the accessories and manual, individually packaged. Presentation is first class, as was my initial impression of the product.

The other thing, this unit is fixed directly to the OEM mirror bracket with only the one hard wired braided wiring sheath coming off the top of the unit for all connections, very neat and looks excellent installed. The camera, GPS connection and power (both permanent live and switched) are incorporated in one wire with very slim pre wired connectors. Everything tucked away easily behind header trim and A pillar trim.

 These are just a few of the supplied cups and one of the retaining rings for different size mirror fittings (shown in situ in picture four) 

The OEM mirror is easy enough to dismount from the screen, the base part stays on the screen and there is a slot in the lower edge of the cover that a flat screwdriver can get into and then it gently prises of and slides upwards. Getting the mirror off the stalk is a bit harder and brute force was applied to pop it out of its socket. I was not aware of this but there is a “peg” moulded into the ball itself, to restrict movement I think, this caught on the socket and snapped a piece of the ball off. However, superglue, the vice and a small file restored it and I removed the “peg”  leaving a smooth ball for fitting the new cup to the mirror.

This picture shows the OEM bracket with the restored ball and the screw collar for the new mirror, in place ready for fitting. Picture four shows the mirror side of this with a suitable sized cup fitted in place, the OEM bracket pushes into the cup and the collar screws down nice and tight to secure the mirror whilst allowing adjustment.

In position, with only an inch or so of braided cable coming straight out of the top of the unit and the original OEM mirror bracket being utilised, the whole install looks very tidy.

The header rail trim and drivers side A pillar trim needed to be removed so I could route the wires behind and then under the dashboard. Unscrew the two torX bolts each side for the hood receivers and one more behind the sun visors, to prise off the header trim, not forgetting to unplug the interior light. The A pillar trim which actually comes off first, is easily prised off with a plastic trim tool. In this picture is my screen mounted aerial as I deleted the OEM aerial completely and filled in the hole in the rear wing. It also shows the mirror base left on the windscreen ready for the new mirror.

The braided sheath that protects the wiring coming away from the mirror DVR is about 300mm long, more than enough to get behind the header trim. Make the connections at that point then run the harness along the header, down the A pillar, under the dash and into the radio area. At this point there is a switched 12v live, a permanent 12v live and a ground wire to connect. I’ve identified these on the OEM radio plug so will be splicing into them for ease of installation.

A couple of (not too good a quality) pics of the DVR camera fully mounted.

The rear view camera has two functions, it acts as a reversing camera with adjustable ( via the mirror touch screen) parking guide lines and as a streaming video rear view acting as the mirror. This view is fully recordable (simultaneously with the front camera view if required) it’s also wide angle giving a better rearward view (I hope) The cable from the camera, which also has a connector and a trigger wire connected to the reversing light live, has an inline connector so putting the main cable in to run to the front of the car is straightforward. My previous unit has reversing camera so when I took the wiring out for that, I taped the new cable to it and pulled it through.

I used the black rectangular blanking plate between the number plate lights to mount the camera (3m supplied tape) fed the camera cable and trigger wire into the boot and fastened them to the OEM loom on the boot lid. Once inside the boot, I connected the camera trigger wire to the reversing lamp wiring and the camera to the connecting cable running to the front, all wires/cables concealed behind the boot panels, which incidentally, I had to remove both side panels and behind number plate panel to do it.

Here is the OEM head unit out of storage, ready to fit and a picture of the wiring waiting to be connected. In line fuses pre installed for the two lives and a forked fitting on the ground wire for screwing onto a suitable bolt -ve earth point.

Front camera angle is adjustable so mirror set to right position and then adjust the view from front camera. Image can be front view only, rear view only, split screen or reversing camera view with guidelines, pretty neat.

The mirror is 10" along the bottom so is bigger than OEM one to start with and switched off you have a conventional mirror. I will get the connections made and post back with first impressions. 

 

looks a nice piece of kit that barrie …and as always a great “write up”

well done , look forwards to seeing it.

Ok, I’ve now got the wiring finished and the OEM head unit back in and working  The DVR just came on as if it had always been there! Really pleased that it booted up and started working with no fuss  I’ve taken a few pics of the different screens etc and the only thing I’ve not got right yet is the time display. I need to fully read through the manual I presume to see how to reset. I think, although date is correct, it’s showing a later time, might be Chinese time  Anyway, I’m sure that can be sorted. It actually picked up several satellites in the garage (enough to get it going) for the sat nav and comes with google map, sygic, waze and others, preloaded, which is great. I connected the home WiFi with no delay or issue and my phone via Bluetooth, again all good on that front. So here’s a few snaps of the screens.

A few extras that just need calibrating

Split screen ( front and back cameras ) The garage door is closed here.

Home screen page1

Home screen page 2

 Home screen page 3

Rear view mirror image, you can make that full screen too with no icons showing.

 

 Barrie

No pics this time 

ive been faffing around with my new toy. I don’t seem able to Bluetooth Spotify from my phone to the mirror and then FM transmit that to my OEM head unit! only the phone and phone book or music player sound through the 2w mono speaker. So I just uploaded my Spotify account to the mirror via Google store which is pre installed on the mirror. Now I can transmit to the head unit all my playlists, songs, albums etc, well chuffed with that  The sound quality is excellent (or at least as good as the audio equipment in the car will allow) but I’m sure it might “drift” on a long run, but no more than the radio does anyway. Then again, thinking about it, it’s tuned to a specific frequency and the mirror transmitting is a constant distance away so maybe not? Reverse camera didn’t work but chased that down to a poor splicing onto the feed wire for the reversing light   Now perfect with a caution voice telling me I’m in reverse  I sort of knew that as it was me that selected it  it mutes the music whilst in reverse too, it also features multi adjustment to the parking bay guide lines. Longer/shorter, wider/narrower and each side can be adjusted independently, quite neat I thought so adjusted it all in our outside parking bay. The ADAS stuff (lane departure/ collision warning etc, I’ve yet to set up properly) is another " nice to have" feature, hopefully won’t need it though. I checked the time display and it is China time  not worked out how to change it to our time but then it took me a while to restore the OEM headunit time display after it had been in hibernation for 18months  I might have to email the vendor to ask. Maybe it can’t be done.  A nice feature, though a bit of a gimmick, the mirror tells you (speaks) the time if you press the time display, in fact it’s quite chatty  little prompts when you select DVR for which camera option etc. Overall, very pleased with it and I’ve enjoyed installing it all. Finger marks seem to be easy to put on the mirror surface though so I’m putting a lens cleaning cloth in the car. Once switched on and whatever features are selected, that should be it more or less. Today I’ve pressed every bit of the screen!  so it was covered!  Finally, I uploaded a car assist app to my phone, the QR code is displayed on the mirror when you select that option. You can remotely access your DVR and view video/photo. It can be set to wake up if the car is knocked or tampered with and video or photo automatically recorded or shot and accessed from the phone. Might be useful. I am aware it’s a softop and someone could break in to the car and trash the mirror but I can’t control that. Might help if the car gets nudged in a car park though.

Barrie

Morning all, I mentioned previously about the date/time display being incorrect for GMT+1 London time, actually showing China time +7hrs  I wonder why? 

Anyway, following the supplied manual, it goes something like this. Boot up the DVR >home page 3>apps>car settings>other>more>select date/time and adjust from world clock/time zones. Easy, only my machine doesn’t show the step for [more]  Having purchased off Amazon, I sent the seller a message via Amazon at approximately 11.00pm our time last night. By 04.00am this morning, two messages received back. I realise they would be waking up when they received my message and had replied by 11.00am their time but overnight (for me) response was great. Not bad at all IMO  so, popped down into garage and advice given was boot up the DVR>home page3>apps>car settings>version (press three times)>more> guess what? All android settings in there! Brilliant. Selected GMT+1 London time and automatically reset the display  well chuffed. Great customer service. It’s just a pity the manual doesn’t show the step I needed from the start but probably lost in the translation  

All working, functions as described. Need to calibrate the ADAS stuff when I get chance, although not essential, there is an auto calibration but it suggests you travel over 50km/h and swerve into both near side and offside lanes, one after the other from middle lane on motorway to set it . I’ll just do it manually 

In case anyone wonders how you manage without a mirror when using apps, they can run in background while streaming rear view to mirror, or split screen or for sat nav, just listen to voice prompts, or both.  You can also switch the display off and use as conventional mirror with either compass heading and time displayed in bottom right corner or just a blank mirror.

Barrie

 

It just gets better  I’ve been reading the topic by Natalie on here, she’s installed a new pumpkin unit into a Bose equipped NC. Top work and a great write up with some very helpful advice from other members, really like that 

Reading through, Natalie mentioned car launcher app, I thought it looked nice so loaded it onto my mirror DVR. Here is a pic of the new home screen, I love it 

Ive thanked her on the thread but here’s another one. THANK YOU Natalie 

Barrie

Good write up Barrie.

 

I see you’ve already sold your head unit, I was about to get excited and PM you, I’m thinking of a unit with DAB though, maybe later this year.

Thanks Mick  TBH, the unit I’ve just sold probably has DAB connectivity via an add on thing? It is capable of TV etc, not sure though. I might upload TuneIn radio to my new mirror thing, not sure if it needs a sim card to run it though. Could tether my phone to it and get same results I guess. Not really up on all this but willing to give it a go  oh, the joys of being a technophobe 

i wanted front and rear DVR cameras without using my two GoPro clones, this thing does it all and more without attracting too much attention (I hope) it’s just a neat solution for me and no wires trailing all over, either. The app that comes with the mirror allows straight transfer to the phone of all photos/ video so will be very easy to share and save, ( he says confidently ) Just a point to consider Mick, the motorised screen I had on the other unit is brilliant as it pops upwards and gives a far easier to see, view. Double din units fitted in the OEM position are too low for me and only being a 5 speed  the gear lever partially obscures the view. That won’t be an issue of you 6 speed guys 

Barrie

I’ve already got an aftermarket (Alpine) double din fitted, no DAB which would be nice to have. Got a front facing dash cam, having trouble keeping it on the screen ATM, it randomly jumps off, not the sucker thingy just the unit from the bracket, on my 2nd bracket now. Works perfectly (Amazon special) apart from the poor bracket fixing affair.

Must stop spending money I keep telling myself, well on stuff I don’t really need but must have if you know what I mean.

I must change the oil and do the underseal, most important jobs before the gadgets.

The front (and rear) cameras were what attracted me to this type of unit in the first place. With front one being built into the unit and adjustable for best view, rear one doubling as a reversing camera, everything neat and tidy with no other wires showing. Best thing, I now have dab radio courtesy of my youngest son  he set up internet radio (radio player) on the mirror and sorted the mobile hotspot on the phone, even changed its password to something I can remember  I have 3 gb of unused data every month on my phone plan so at least I can use something I’m already paying for. Was going to get a sim card for the mirror till he told me not to be so daft  it must be great being young and wise rather than old and daft  I’m using the car launcher free version at the moment but going to buy the full fat version with more features, at £2.69 it’s not a lot to pay to have even more ■■■■ on the mirror  I’m so chuffed with this latest gizmo 

Barrie

 

Youngest son gave me a £10 Google credit voucher he’d had kicking around in his bedroom for ever. Redeemed it on the Google store via the mirror  and uploaded the full version of car launcher app… Also realised that a stylus will stop all the finger prints on the screen. Tried one out and result!  Will get one and leave it in the car. Need to get out for a drive with the car and really try it all out in real time. I watched a 124 spider review on YouTube the other day and the mirror had a similar single cable coming up from the mirror to the header trim. Haven’t seen a mk4 for that detail but presume it’s the same? I feel I’m in good company 

Barrie

A month or so into this now and I thought it appropriate to update my opinion on this unit. Having spent ages extolling the virtues of this unit, singing its praises etc, I have now come to the conclusion that it’s not all its cracked up to be. 

Pro’s

  • Very neat unit
  • excellent front facing camera
  • excellent rear view camera
  • really good reverse camera with adjustable guidelines
  • Streaming rear view mirror is again, great
  • Internet radio
  • Spotify
  • Conventional mirror when switched off
  • excellent DVR with car assist app for viewing remotely
Cons
  • boot time is often up to 5-6 minutes
  • None of the nav apps will load properly or quickly, Google maps, Waze, Navitel
  • highly reflective gloss surface makes it almost impossible to view with hood down
  • Fingerprints are a nightmare
  • very slowly to respond to key strokes
  • often "initialises" the apps (55 on the unit) from boot so takes forever to start.
Conclusion is that it's a fantastic DVR/front & rear camera unit but not so good as an android unit. So it's become quite an expensive dashcam 

Anyway, to re establish my full connectivity I’ve purchased this off amazon (it’s being delivered today) 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pumpkin-Android-Bluetooth-Support-Navigation/dp/B07DRFWNV1/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=BERXFTEWE26NNQNXVWTE

Barrie

Ok, after some faffing about this morning, here’s a few pics of the new head unit linked to in previous post. First off, an obligatory high shine, highly reflective picture of the unit in the car, switched off 

Next are 2 pics, one of my Audi A4 avant main screen and then one of the pumpkin, notice any similarities? 

 Next is the more “conventional” home screen.

This is the navigation and is really what I changed for, almost instant boot up and you’re off!

Very pleased with this, the mirror unit was hopeless at loading the navigation apps. Picture of the telephone screen, usual Bluetooth thing with phone book transfer etc. 2 phones can be registered at the same time.

Finally a picture of the ratio screen. I’ve also downloaded internet radio which is very good.

Couple of points worth mentioning, bit of a nightmare getting the bezel surround to fit reasonably well. I ended up with three to go at 

  1. The one that came with the pumpkin unit

  2. The one that came with the universal double din kit

  3. The one that came with the METRA mx5 fascia kit.

No. 3. Is the one that I used as it curves to match the fascia profile, however, the internal opening was too small for the pumpkin so I spent ages filing the interior edges to get it to fit and also removing the tangs around the back edges of the bezel as none of them lined up with the head unit. all together now though and looks reasonable. I have reversing cam on the mirror, which is the best place I suppose as you intuitively look in the mirror anyway. So no connection made, currently I’ve not connected the supplied external microphone, this will depend on the performance of the built in one. 

Barrie

Very nice barrie, that sure does look the business there :slight_smile:

Ben.

Thanks Ben, have enjoyed installing it, finding a place for the wiring behind the unit is challenging though, to get it to sit flush in the fascia 

Barrie

Looking good

Comes with DAB Barrie or is that an additional gizmo?

Hi Mick, as usual, the dab thing is an extra gadget, what I did discover was you can upload internet radio to these units for free. Gives you all the channels, genres etc and is really good. I’m using radioplayer but there are loads of other ones, TuneIn, etc. Very easy to do via Google play store 

Barrie