Interesting - but what about homes with built in garage? - Our estate is full of them! Next door to me is an extended home with two bedrooms over the top, doesn’t bear thinking about. Quite common in fact, not just here, but everywhere. Building Reg’s - went out the window.
Not sure. The Fire Brigades Union are worried about storing fuel in a building where people live because it’s a fire hazard. There’s also a potential problem with fumes.
An integral garage is supposed to be separated from the main house with fire-retardant materials and a fire door. That’s so a vehicle fire doesn’t spread too quickly to the rest of the house. I think that applies to new build and extensions too.
So it should be okay to keep fuel containers there too. After all, what is a car except a giant fuel container? My guess is that it would be legal to store fuel in an integral garage, but the FBU’s advice would probably be that it would be safer not to.
Afterthought - next local news ; “Theft crimes mulitply - Domestic garages being broken into - presumably after the petrol/diesel stored inside; a transit van was noticed, late at night going from house to house, the person who told this to the police said he thought it was a window cleaner - did anyone see the number plate?” - - - - Followed by “Man in pubs reported as selling cheap petrol - - a description is sought”
The definitive answer lies in the Petroleum Spirit Regulations 1929, follow the link, clause 5 is relevant.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksro/1929/952/pdfs/uksro_19290952_en.pdf
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm#storage
So actually, you can store upto 275 liters of petrol, as long as you’ve completed the relevant paperwork, and obtained the appropriate storage containers. It seems the Fire Brigade Unions don’t know the law either.
So, a Jerry Can, with the proper label, is entirely acceptable for storage of petrol in a garage.
When Francis Maude mentioned a Jerry Can, unlike Mr Wrack, I did not think of those small plastic jobs people leave in their boots. Thats not a jerry can. This is a Jerry Can:
Note, no real limit on diesel; no reason why someone cannot store jerrycans of diesel in their garage:
I thought the original posting was for informational purposes only; not for us to express publicly support or not for this campaign (ie. express a political opinion).
As you are asking; no I do not support FairFuelUK, for reasons that I think are obvious.
I stated my position on page 1, you must have missed it.
I haven’t been in any queues today.
This thread certainly could be shorter, but a little less entertaining.
Correct Andy - that was the original intention, but people started saying " I support this" which then devolved sideways - - I gathered you disagreed earlier on, then you got caught up in the mire too. I understood - - - - but it didn’t help - sorry.
Once - Sorry, I didn’t pick up on this, or state what my thoughts were. It’s my intention to submit a write up to the next Committee meeting - already done the text - I state quite clearly that it’s not my intention to steam roller it through, rather I want their permission to introduce members to the Campaign - if they aren’t aware of it. The choice is entirely up to each individual, I won’t know who thinks what, but it would help the campaign if the petition increases in size. My post 'To the Chairman’is already up there in “Questions for the Chairman” - it hasn’t been answered yet. If the Committee give me the go ahead, then I will post the text on here, not that there seems to be of a lot of interest - once something get’s tarred as ‘Political’ then most will turn away. See the posters on this thread. ( A bare minimum)
Point in question, I was one of a few critics of Club policy back between 2002/2004, (quite few comments picked up at car shows ‘Exhibitions’ used to do around the country - not now I notice, the ball is in Area hands) - most people then on the old forum said “It’s political” and moved on - so I finished up as part of the Committee, but in all honesty, didn’t get far with any suggestions then (2005 to 2008). I learned a lot then - if you are on any committee, there are those that dictate policy, those that say nothing, and a few that disagree. They always lose. Go-on, tell me thats politics! Certainly it seems to be the way Parliament, golf, car, fishing clubs etc. are run. And God said “The meek shall inherit the Earth” - but he wasn’t aware of what man would do with Committees then - - - -
So now we have religion and politics! Let’s stop the religion, keep party politics out of the thread and stick to the original posts theme. Any mention of sex and…
@AT - the advice given by the FBU was directed at the public. Sure, you can apply for permission to store larger quantities of fuel, but no-one is really going to do that for a domestic house in time for a fuel shortage.
So as far as I can see, the advice they gave was correct - in the context in which they were giving it.
@Gerryn. Not sure I follow you. If a car club gets too political there is a danger that it will lose members. For example, if this club called on all its members to vote labour at the next general election, many of the non-labour voters would be unhappy. That could lead to a downward spiral of falling membership numbers = reduced income from subscriptions = less money to spend on events and stuff = even more steeply falling membership numbers.
A similar thing will happen with the fair fuel prices campaign. Not everyone agrees with you that it is an undisputed good thing. I find their arguments to be flaky and their motivation to be more than a little suspicious. I didn’t buy an MX-5 and join the owners club to be associated with campaigns like this. Whether you like it or not, the fair fuel prices campaign is political.
You are quite right that committees are often strongly influenced by those who are prepared to speak out. But you may find that even the quiet ones on the committee won’t like what you are suggesting. And for very good reason.
I live just outside Preston, Lancs. A couple of weeks ago I had to go on a course in Manchester. The course lasted for four days. Four days return from Preston to Manchester was nearly £80! It was almost like those trains you see in India and the like, we were squashed in like sardines and itv was late leaving 3 out of four days,. 50% of the passengers didn’t even get a seat! Same coming home as well. Last year I was in Holland with work and had the pleasure of using their public transport system. I got on a train (double decker) in the north of the country headed for Amsterdam airport. The time table informed me that the train would arrive at 16:13. We set off for the journey. AT 16:15 EXACTLY the train arrived at the airport. I got off the train and got on an escalator that took me to departures. We have a lot to learn.
I think the definition of political has been made clear in the last couple of pages, so I won’t reiterate what other have said.
Just to clarify though, I have read all of this thread, I’ve been posting on it since page 2 and no, I’m not a supporter. The letter I quoted was taken from the very first post. If you’d read all of the thread, etc…
The pleasure of standing on trains costs me £4020 a year, to be exact. Plus parking at the station, which is in the region of £1300.
[joke] I’m not voting tory again. [/joke]
They were out to score points in support of their Comrades. They know full well they could have phrased their comment in a different way. The minister said store a bit of extra fuel in a jerrycan, in the garage. The Union somehow used to attack the government for suggesting people ought to store multiple containers of petrol in the home. They used a classic strawman argument; Minister says “a bit of extra fuel in a
jerry can in the garage is a sensible precaution to take”, militant union leader replies “It is already against the law to store more than 10 litres of petrol in two
five-litre plastic containers in the home” (minister didn’t actually say people ought to stockpile mulitple containers). Of course, its interesting that no one is accusing Wrack for suggesting that you CAN store less than 10 liters in your living room (the limit for petrol stored in a home is 0 liters, not 10 liters, so the Union was wrong in their advice).
The suggestion from the minister was also technically correct, if missing all the caveats, but no less incorrect than a fireman to suggest you can legally store 10 liters of petrol inside your home. Of course, there’s no accounting for idiots who pour petrol in a kitchen over a lit stove (in another thread, its suggested these regulations only really apply to idiots and fools). That sort of accident probably happens every day, in any given year, but will no doubt be seized upon by people with an axe to grind, who were worried about a recent by-election result.
I have been advised that the Committee decided to approve the article for publication in STHT - it has been suggested apparently that it appears under ‘Letter to the Editor’ in the next edition. Also - it will state "this is with the usual club disclaimer - that the views expressed are those of the writer, not the Club " which is plain enough for those dissenters on previous posts. The article also makes the same point in different words.
Anyone who wishes to reply to this can do so - in STHT, but bear in mind your reply will come two months after the article appears, which to me would make it pointless. YMMV - - - - 
P.S. - I didn’t plan it that way, if it sounds like a fait accompli.
It will be interesting to see what reaction this gets from the membership.
I’m not too bothered about a letter to the editor. As far as I can see, anyone can write a letter. And, as you say, it’s clear that it’s the view of the writer and not the club as a whole.
And anyway it looks as if the subject has fizzled out.
Here Here
Not Fizzled out from my end I will still give my support for Gerry.and the FFC look forward to the April STHT will make good reading me thinks not going to comment on any one can write a letter !
Alan