Hi all, at the minute I’ve got a plastic plinth fitted to the front bumper of my mk1 but it hasn’t been fitted very well. I’d like to get the holes filled in and smoothed where the plinth has been because I’ve seen a few mk1s with a sort of stuck on plate situated between the indicators or where the plinth was.
Am I right in thinking theses plates are just stuck on and if so does anyone know where I can get one made up, cheers.
Tony
craigsplates is one source, of course if asked you’ve had it on there ages!
This may be different in Ireland but NCT/MOT will not pass these types of plates…its a fail on the test
stick on plates look great but are indeed not technically legal. I believe the plate is supposed to be at 90 degrees to the road (how do you do degrees symbol on the keyboard)
I have had stick ons for about 8 years now & it always passes.
not sure how the original E-type got away with it…but, what the hell, try it & see.
90° (90 degrees)
Stick on number plates are pretty much illegal because they cannot meet BSaU145d standards mainly in relation to reflectivity.
Don’t forget also that the updated number plate requirements apply to any number plate MADE after 2001, not just the age of the vehicle involved.
Plus anyone who makes number plates has to keep a lot of information and part of those requirements are documentation from you.
thanks mick but how do i get/find the little “o” after the 90?
Ah …I cheated really http://www.degreesymbol.com/
Or you can do this
If you use windows, go to the start bar, all programs, accessories, system tools, character map. it should be located in there.
Google is your friend really on stuff like that.
Anyway we were on about stick on numbers plates, don’t know about them, Google again I guess.
Reason for rejections for registration plates from the MOT Testers Manual, nothing there to say that you can’t have a stick on number plate…
a. missing or incorrect
b. so insecure that it is likely to fall off
c. letter or figure missing or incomplete
d. faded, dirty, delaminated, deteriorated or
obscured, (for example by a towbar) so
that it is likely to be misread or is not easily
legible by a person standing approximately
20 metres to the front/rear of the vehicle
e. background overprinted or shadowed with
text e.g. vehicle manufacturer name.
2.
a. a front registration plate does not have
black characters on a white background
b. a rear registration plate does not have
black characters on a yellow background
c. a registration plate not fixed vertically, or
as close to vertical as is reasonably
practical.
A registration plate obviously displaying a
honeycomb or similar effect background.
A registration plate with:
a. characters which are obviously not the
correct height, character width, stroke
width, not of equal width along their entire
length or incorrectly spaced
b. a character not correctly formed, sloping, or
likely to be misread
c. any feature that has the effect of changing
the appearance or legibility of any of the
characters, so that the true identity of the
vehicle is less easily established
d. characters formed using a font which is not
substantially similar to the prescribed font
e. characters formed using broken or multiple
strokes
f. characters laid out in an incorrect format
g. a margin obviously less than the minimum
requirement
h. a non-reflective border obviously wider than
permitted or positioned too close to the
characters (see page 5).
As Robbie says, no reason why it would fail a UK MOT, however a traffic cop looking for an easy meal could do you under these regulations
The MOT guy doesn’t care weather the plates are stick on or not so long as the numbers are legible.
This is a direct quote from the DVLA in reply to an e mail that I sent to them
Dear Mr Walton
Thank you for your email received on 9/10/09. Your email reference number is 130980.
I have highlighted some information in this email which may help you further.
The Road
Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) regulations 2001, took effect from 1
September 2001. These regulations introduced a mandatory character font,
provision for the optional use of the Euro-symbol, provision for the new
registration number format to take effect on that date and a new British
Standard (BS AU 145d) for the manufacture of number plates. Besides the
registration number the new British Standard made it compulsory for a number plate to display:
Characters Size all vehicles except motorcycles:
Height 79mm
Width 50mm
Stroke 14mm
Side margin 11mm
Top & bottom margins 11mm
Space between characters 11mm
Space between groups 33mm
Motorcycles only:
Height 64mm
Width 44mm
Stroke 10mm
Space between characters 10mm
Space between groups 30mm
Top, Side & Bottom margin 11mm
Motorists, may if they wish,
display the Euro symbol and GB national identifier on the number plate. This
will dispense with the need for a separate GB sticker when travelling within the
EU. The symbol must confirm to the EC Council Regulation 2411/98 which states
the height must be a minimum of 98mm the width must be a minimum of 40mm,
maximum of 50mm. The background must be of retro-reflecting blue with 12
retro-reflecting yellow stars at the top and the distinguishing sign of the Member State (GB) in retro-reflecting white or yellow.
Full details (including examples
of the style and shape of number plates) can be found at our website www.dvla.gov.uk. A copy of the new regulations can be purchased through:
HMSO (Her Majesty’s Stationary Office)
PO Box 276
London
SW8 5DT
Regards
G Parslow
Customer Enquiries Group
DVLA
You are vanishingly unlikely to have problems on a Mk1, since the DVLA line is that sticky plates were “tolerated” up to 2001, and up to that point didn’t require BS markings or the postcode of the manufacturer. You could probably also get away with it on a Mk2 (don’t - it looks crap with the headlights), but on a Mk2.5 it would be obvious that the plate was fitted after the regs changed.
The MoT only checks font and spacing. ANPR has no problem reading sticky plates either.
What about 2c above?
“c. a registration plate not fixed vertically, or
as close to vertical as is reasonably
practical.”
Checking the manual http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_630.htm the Method of Inspection alongside that says,
"2. On Vehicles first Registered on or after 1 January 1973, Check
Never heard of anyone failing an MoT for one on a Mk1 MX-5. Mine wasn’t even reflective, because the muppet that made it used the wrong material, and it passed about five MoTs like that.
Yes we see them around don’t we. The ruling looks pretty clear though. 1973 was the date of change to reflective plates; anything before can have black with white/silver lettering but vehicles after can only have reflective. It looks like it’s a similar date for enforcing vertical mounting on newer vehicles. It would explain why they’re ok on old E Types but would mean no MX5s should have them.
This question comes up regularly and I’m not sure if Robbie is an MOT tester? If so perhaps he can email his VOSA support with a picture of one laid on the front of an MX5 and see what they say?
Yes, I am an MOT tester but I’m not aware of anywhere that I could email a picture to for an opinion. I’d be happy to pass an MX-5 with a stick on plate, that doesn’t have a vertical plinth fitted, as long as the stick on plate was stick in a position that was as close to vertical as reasonably practical. Of course other tester’s opinions may vary. I’m looking for reasons to pass the vehicle not reasons to fail it.
Is that email adders for testers or the general public? I’ll need a front view photo of an MX-5 with a stick on number plate on it. Ideally not a white car though.