Making a auto a manual

Hi all,

 

Im sure this topic has been discussed many times , but im considering a purchase of a very good low milage auto , in order to get it converted to a  manual . How easy or hard is it to do , and how much could it cost ? I believe some companies offer a service to do the conversion , but who would be the best company to go to , if i was to consider it ? Ive heard figures between 1000-1300 pounds for the work , but its all very sketchy . Im not very car savvy , i just love driving my Harvard . But , having had my car for 6 years now , the list of repairs needed , is beginning to tot up . So i thought it was about time i looked for a new car . Ive seen very low milage motor , which sadly is auto, and i dont think any MX5 should be . But as its in incredible condition , i would love to buy it , if i could work out the costs and downfalls of a conversion . Any info appreciated Im London based. 

Never had one but they say they’re just as much fun to drive, those that have experienced them that is.

Please give details of the year of car you are talking about.

There were no 1.8 Auto MK3’s, not very many Auto Mk2’s, are you talking about a clean Mk1 Auto as you confuse things talking about about a “new car”.

There is a school of thought, that if you can find a very clean MK1 auto, then if it is a keen price, it may well be reasonable to purchase that and convert it to manual as the cost of Mk1 manual gearboxes are now very inexpensive.

Wayne at “Mazdamenders.net” has done a “how to” to guide users through the task. In your case, that would not be suitable as you advise you are not “Technical”.

Please clear up what car you are talking about.

David

I assume you are talking Eunos 1.8 auto?

I believe the engine for auto and manual is the same, the ecu certainly is, unlike the 1.6 where both are different.

Do a search on posts here - there was a guy who posted about this. I’ve had personal dealings with him but annoyingly cannot find his details.

He converted at least two autos, 1.8s from memory and did it to sell the cars on. From memory of his description of the work, a good plan to have a manual donor car and sell the parts not used. If you can find his post which was probably around a year ago I would get in touch with him.   

Here it is - the guy is Brendon AKA Oldcodger - not posted for a while but I have found his details - PM me if you would like email/phone     

 

Owner of a Mk1 1840cc slushbox for 15 years, and have driven it in all conditions as a daily. It’s on SORN just now awaiting an extensive metal rebuild as a “keeper” retirement toy, having done around 80-odd thousand miles. If your proposed purchase is that good, you’ve won a watch already…and you know why. Rot. 

Also, if you are London based, I’m pretty certain there will be many days you will be glad your stop-start clutch foot is not going numb!  

It is quite involved with things “popping up” like the down-pipe from the manifold being different…the Auto trans being fatter than the manual… though far from impossible and yes, as mentioned, it can nad has been done.

As said, the 1840cc mills are identical, so that’s a lot of struggle sorted.

I guess a major consideration is…is it worth it? Only you can decide. Spending perhaps 50% of the value of the car may make sense if you arr determined enough.

As for autos, they are Marmite. You’ll get the usual “opinions” they have no place in a 5…usually by people who have never driven them in anger, or ignore the fact some like me actually need one. 

I’d say give the Auto a chance to redeem itself if you decide to buy it. They are better than a lot of nae-sayers think especially the 'box of the 1840cc. You can lock out the transmission with the Hold button in S position and cross country end up with a hilarious stabbed rat with truly epic engine braking, so forget that myth as well. 4th is pretty much an overdrive, the intermediates providing more than ample performance in give/take traffic.

They can be just as much fun as a manual, and equally pace-efficient through the twisties. Once you learn them that is.

Blob chartb/brochure performance figures don’t do them favours…they are demonstrably better if the mill is top notch and the tranny is spot on.

 Performance “off the lights” is slightly compromised for a couple of seconds till the torque converter wakes up. I’ve never felt compromised in urban traffic. While others are going through the motions of clutch/gear/handbrake palavars …I’m usually off…!

Urban MPG is compromised. I’d say probably 10/15 % worse than a manual and you will be lucky to avarage more than 25/28mpg around the houses. It’s never bothered me. It’s a sports car. It’s a revvy twin-cam married to a torque converter…not the ideal set-up. Old school torque converters like low rev grunt torque after all You will get the best between 3k to 7.k rpm…like manuals. I’d rather not say what foot to the boards S mode with Hold takes you too in an open forum!

 I’d wager, in general, mills in an auto depending on how well they have been serviced will be in better nick as they are less stressed.

They are also brilliant long distance cruisers. 3/3.2k rpm at 70mph. Did 2026 mile sin 6 days in mine a few years back and stepped out fresh as a daisy…aged 61 at the time.

Kickdown is a hoot on motorways & dual carriageways. I dispose of trucks etc just as safely as I do in my wife’s 2002 Sport. Pedal to the carpet…job done. 

Like I say…Marmite, but Mazda built them for a reason and as far as I’m concerned, and fellow users they have an equal place on the road if you ignore the Harrumphing Purist Henrys, often as not those who have never experienced one or perhaps even been pax in one.  I did one track day…of several…in mine and was “thanked” by others for…“not getting in the way”. Fact was…it was as nippy around this particular track as standard manuals and there was no reason to kneel before them. They meant well I guess.   Most I’ve met talked like opinionated biblically /technically uninformed twits…and I’ve met a few. 

In conclusion, I’ve been transparent regarding some drawbacks & limitations but equally (hopefully) dispelled a few ill deserved urban myths.

Hi I agree with Sottishfiver. I had a MK3 manual and now a MK3 auto and find driving it a dream. No trouble crawling along in rush hour A14 traffic in Cambridgeshire or on longer journeys. Been camping on the Loire and at Le Mans in both and so can compare driving in both and would go for the  automatic any time.  I have a number of earlier cars all manuals and enjoy driving them all so does it really matter as long you you enjoy driving it?

Graham

Its a very early , low low milage 1.8 mark 1 .If i purchased it , i couldn’t live with an auto box . I drive my car everyday because of the smile it puts on my face . Half the fun for me is dropping the hood , on even the most shit days , and going through the gears on the country lanes near me . Im just trying to weigh up , justify to myself that i can stump up the cash for the car , knowing ill have a further amount to spend to get it to how id like it .

OK,

As as you have advised you are not “technical”, the only reason to do this is if you have looked at a number of cars and as always on an MX5, bodywork is the main expensive issue.

If this car is very clean not just OK and it does not need the rear sills and arches doing or areas near the front where the crap thrown up from the front wheels attacks the front bulkhead or the front part of the sills are rusting down that has put say £1,200 to £2,000 of a bodywork job into the future but at some time it will come your way.

Then £1,200 to £1,500 to change the gearbox to get the car your way as you do not have the knowledge or facilities to do the conversion, then that is a reaonable option if you cannot find a very clean manual car.

Oh the car i was considering is clean , but i think all things considered i might have to reluctantly pass on purchasing it , and settle for a higher milage car instead . I wish i could view it as a second car , but my mx5 will always be my everyday car . Mind you , i dont mind it , because i thoroughly enjoy every journey , but i just wish i had enough cash to pick up a low milage motor which is could get stripped right down and get rebuilt from the ground up . I do have a question regarding the V spec wheels . Ive seen some beautiful looking chrome wheels on type 2 v specs , and i wondered if anybody has seen any for sale . In case i buy a car this month . Oh regards to the rust , ive had more than my fair share of rust , having paid a hefty bill for sills twice round . Ill save that story for another time . The song of the fisherman , and the mournful cry of the Mx5 driver who picks up a case of the bubbling sills . Its as painful as it sounds

Depending on your budget, you might want to consider importing a car from Japan to order. It’ll take about 8 weeks and if you use someone like Autolink, the payments are stage (ie. you transfer some funds to buy the car in Japan, which is a lot less than the final cost, and then make a final payment when the car is landed. Previously, Autolink would stand by the cars they brought in, so if the car wasn’t as good as you thought it would be, you get your money back. They used to charge a fairly nominal fee for basically bringing in a car at cost price.

Quite a fresh import, at a reasonable price:
https://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/mazda/mx-5-mk1/mazda-eunos-roadster-1-6-fresh-imported-in-july-2018/9056707





Of course,there is this one

https://www.mx5oc.co.uk/forum/yaf_postst111170_1993-Eunos-Roadster-S-Limited--Mk1-MX5.aspx

Ah your messing with my head , whats it got on the clock , looks incredible . Ive seen a v spec today with 72, and he wants £3,800. Im torn because although it looked god , it didn’t wow me . Got to make a decision by friday . Got three days to visit all the cars i can before i commit to anything . Im London based and was really wowed by v spec , but having had a Harvard , which i drove with 45, 0000 on the clock , ive been spoilt by the decent seats and excellent paint work . Ah the more i see the more confused i become damn it …

Ah ive looked at this import pic a few times , and i have to say bodywork wise it looks stunning , but i dont know , it doesnt grab me like the other one you loaded up

I bit the bullet yesterday and purchased a reasonably low milage manual v spec . Cars running well , life is good . I realised that i cant justify the expense of buying a very low milage , then paying the conversion costs as well . Thank you all for your input .Its much appreciated