MX5 MOT Fail Help (Is it worth it)

First of all i am new here and this is my first post. Sadly my first post is not a good one from my perspective so im going to keep it short and hopefully get some answers :slight_smile:

My MX5 Mk2 has failed its MOT. I have included what for below:

  • Nearside Rear Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
  • Nearside Rear Inner Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
  • Offside Rear Outer Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
  • Offside Rear Inner Seat belt anchorage prescribed area strength or continuity significantly reduced sill (7.1.1 (a) (i))
  • Nearside Front Floor excessively deteriorated chassis rail (6.2.4 (a) (i))
Now from where i sit that looks like a lot of money running away. Could someone advise me on what roughly needs doing here and what an average cost overall would be or is this something I could do myself with a welder and replacement parts?

Many Thanks

Ryan

Hi Ryan

Doesn’t sound too good to be honest but all these cars starting to go this way now.

Sound like both rear sills need repairing and a front chassis rail needs plating.

Put up some photos if you can for better guidance but if you are relying on non associated professionals to do the repair work not likely to be cheap.

Good photos of the areas mentioned and where you are would allow a more informed response and perhaps a recommended repairer. 

 

Anything mechanical can be replaced but rust is not so easy to fix. If one chassis rail is bad then its is likely the other will need attention.  Prices will vary but this firm charge £600 to £720 per side.   https://www.themx5restorer.co.uk/services/welding-repairs/front-chassis-rail-repairs/

Surely it depends on the value of the car ?? 

  

To that I would add - “to the owner” -  some people will get rid of something at the first sign of a problem, others will hang onto something until it literally disintegrates.

“Surely it depends on the value of the car” … to you the owner :slight_smile:

Is it still the case the going rate for sill repairs is around £300 per side and £300 per side for the rear wheel arches (incl. parts & labour) if things are average in terms of rust?

That’s what I’d read for the mk1 and I presume it’s the same for a mk2?

 

There is no right or wrong answer. Hence the burgeoning multi-million £ “classic car” industry.

Am I right to spend, as I am currently doing, around 3.5k fixing up my '94 Roadster I’ve had for 16 years?

3 weeks ago it was a £300/400 spares or repair basket case.

Next week, I’d easily get my money back…indeed I’ve had a firm offer but its not for sale.

Should I have just gone and bought another? 

Only owners can decide.

Well said by all. You effectively have a worthless car. Worth a couple of hundred or so as a spares or repair sale.

However spend around a couple of thousand with a trusted expert and you will have a well sorted car. Your car.

Probably worth having a word with your mechanic / MOT inspector. If everything else is good then great. If there are many other parts that will be failures or advisories by next year then maybe it’s the time to let it go.

I don’t see the testers relationship of seat belt mounts to side sills, unless I’m missing something. Floor pan in a bad state? It sounds as if the sills repair is the major concern, as may be the chassis rail, with the floor pan also suspect. If the front chassis frame is also suspect, then you are looking at a big repair bill. Obviously time for a rethink, as you are doing. Point is, if yo decide to stay with the MX5 route, then you can pay up to ten thou or more for a good example, so you have the difference between that sum and your car’s present value (Ouch moment - a lot less than one thousand) to play with. You need to find a good repairer, who may not be in your area, so can you afford to be without a car for a month or two - may be longer?

On the other hand, a good repairer may offer you a one year guarantee against their workmanship and material, but not on the rest of the car, and rust being perfidious, you have no idea where the next part will fail, in which case- money spent - money wasted. As it stands, you car is worth peanuts at a crapper, but in pieces, worth a lot more. If you have the time, space and energy, consider breaking it up yourself and offering parts for repair, , but yes, I know that’s easier said than done. For the sake of time, space and energy, you could even consider breaking the car, buy a good kitcar and make your own roadster for less than the price of a new car, again, easy said!

Last, but no least - there are all kinds of cars on car lots these days, you can buy later models offering more comfort than an MX5 for the money you’ll save on repairs now and in the future, frankly, that’s the direction I’d go, but you need to make your own decisions, based on what you feel, not on what we say. Good luck.

Chassis rail repair prices referenced above are for both sides I think.

Hello all. Thank you for all your helpful responses. The sill repairs and whatnot do seem to be very expensive. I am in the state of currently getting photos to post so you guys can get a clearer image of what I’m dealing with ?? 

I have another car which I already use as my daily driver so when the MX5 failed I wasn’t totally bummed for driving to and from work. This means I can also travel to location if a cheaper garage is around. Have someone with van and trailer that can transport it for me. 

I got a couple of quotes and one was charging £900 for the rear and 750 for the front. That included VAT. The MX5 was destined to be garaged and tracked but the costs of repair may add up to more than braking this MX5 and buying some other RWD car. 

I’m literally dithering over this as I absolutely love the MX5 would be a shame to see it go and that’s why I’m here looking for a decently priced garage who could weld this back to life. I live in Banbury Oxfordshire if this helps anyone with a location for a garage or repairer. 

Please post any recommendations so I can get in touch with them. 

 

Many Thanks

Ryan

I was in a similar position last year for my getting my 2003 MK2.5 Sport through an MOT. I was facing getting some repair work done on the inner wings, both front wings having been replaced a few years ago.

On closer inspection the welding required was more extensive and included both front chassis legs.

I’ve an excellent relationship with my local garage, so know that the welder they use is competent and reasonably priced.
Quote was £800, which included a couple of inner wing panels but mainly labour costs.

I decided to go ahead with the repairs based on the following:

  1. Scrap the car, maybe get £500 - £700 for the engine, heated leather seats, hardtop, alloys and other sundries ( I don’t even know if that figure is too optimistic )
  2. Look for another similar car or maybe even look for a model NC, but then you could run into exactly the same repair problems in a few years time.
  3. Go ahead and get the car welded.

I decided on the third option for several reasons. The rest of the car is in good condition, only 57K on the clock, full service history, recent new discs and pads all round, I’ve added many extras to the car, parking sensors, full LED internal lights, including illuminated glove box and central storage, additional instruments etc.
My main car is an E46 M3, however the MX5 is so entertaining I find I drive it more than the BMW.

Financially it probably didn’t make sense, however I’d rather have the car on my runway than the £800 in my bank.

Just my opinion of course.

Good luck with what ever you decide.

As indicated, upto £2k to fix, you might get a couple hundred for the car (or probably not); not everyone wants their driveway turned into a scrapyard.

So, if the car is written off, what will you get for £2k? Not a lot.

If these rust repairs are attended to; chassis legs, sills, arches, on the Mk2, that’s generally it for rust. So its not a case of constantly fighting rust.

front and rear pictures included. Not amazing as blown up using PC. Will grab more tomorrow when i have more time to get the car in the air and get closer pics. Doesnt look to good tbh but if i could get a second opinion thats great. Also its like that both sides :frowning:

 

 

https://imgur.com/M6ekYUb

 

https://imgur.com/8LBBxhl

 

Many Thanks

 

Ryan


Seen worse. I’m not sure, but is that front wing blistering? It might be holed, might not. Be brave, and scrape some of the paint off.

Sill and arch repairs would be £1200-1500 for both sides, all in with paint. But the paint looks pretty faded. If the front wings need replacing, you might consider a respray, but I don’t know what the bonnet and boot lid are like. Generally paint is £100-200 per panel.

If you like MX5s, then I would say persevere with this one, rather than trying to find another Mk2. There is something pleasing about the look of an early Mk2 in a solid colour like red.

Hi there yes the front wing is blistering as well. This is the thing it’s faded all over the bonnet is faded too. I was already looking at getting resprayed anyway if I could get all the rust fixed. I’m thinking get all rust repaired with no paint and then get it all sprayed at once?

I will get a screwdriver on it tomorrow and post back with more pictures.

I will persevere with this car.