MX5 ND - A Critique

Yesterday I was delighted to have the opportunity to drive both the new MX5 1.5 SE-L and the 2.0 Sport Nav back to back over a period of two hours, courtesy of Macrae & Dick Mazda, Inverness. My thanks to Dougie and his colleagues.

The new MX5 drives beautifully, it has great balance, is very direct and inspires great confidence. It is great fun and is very ‘chuckable’. The new 1.5 litre engine has a bit more poke than my 2014 1.8 Sport Venture and has a 6 speed gearbox, which helps the gearing and tractability. Both are a welcome improvement. The 2.0 litre adds nearly thirty (mostly unnecessary) horses, and suffers from a harsher ride. This, I am advised, is due to the Bilstein dampers fitted to the Sport model, not simply the 17inch wheels. Regrettably, both cars I drove suffered from wind whistle from the door windows in crosswinds, something I haven’t experienced in any of my Mk.3’s over the last six years. Inside the cockpit is a modern revelation and a huge improvement over the Mk.3 in terms of finish and attractiveness. It feels more spacious, yet the windscreen is closer to the driver than before. The view out is reminiscent of a 60’s Triumph Spitfire, with its pronounced front wings, the side view of the car has similar muscular lines to a 60’s Corvette Stingray and the rear, with its curve down over the rear arches is not unlike a BMW Z3. All in all pretty successful, for the most part, however…

When I first saw the Mk.4 on the outskirts of Inverness during the press launch a few weeks ago, I wasn’t struck on the frontal design. Seeing it again and studying it some more, my view hasn’t changed. The corporate gaping mouth has no place on a bespoke roadster. In addition the curved line formed by the running lights over the grille from one side to the other creates a miserable look over a black gaping hole.

Sadly the colour choice available is dire and wholly uninspiring. This is a fun roadster, so why lumber it with such a dour colour palette? Renault and Ford manage some bright and fresh colours, why can’t Mazda? - We have solid white, (the only one that doesn’t cost extra), white metallic, ceramic, (a grey white), solid black, metallic black, a dull blue and an expensive red? Where is the brightness and fun?

Wheels are limited to weedy and thin looking 16’s with only slightly better looking 17’s.  Not very inspiring. The optional ‘accessory’ alloy looks aftermarket. Audi do some great alloys which would look a whole lot better than those currently available.

Inside is a lovely place to be, but the cloth seat bases are fairly soft and you feel perched on them rather than held in place. The leather option is a bit better, but neither seem as good as those in my Mk.3’s which have been both leather and cloth versions over the years. Are they now smaller? The afterthought cupholders are awful and can thankfully be removed, (I have never used mine). The placement of the volume control is too far back and is unnatural to operate as a result, neither am I not struck on the tablet screen which looks huge in such a cosy cabin. I was disappointed that there is no glovebox. A small point perhaps, but I often find myself quickly picking up items in the cabin and throwing them into the glovebox to lock them out of sight. You can’t do this now, as there is no glovebox, but there are still cubbies behind the seat which are less convenient.

The boot is about 20 litres smaller than before but the shape is deeper but with more encroachment by the lights. Apparently the Mk.4 is about 45mm shorter than the Mk.1, leaving in the 45mm could have kept the boot space up. So it is now a little less practical.

Opening the boot and starting the car are both different to previous versions. The boot can be opened by the key fob, or by an electro switch next to the rear number plate light which is nicely hidden, but would get grubby very quickly. When you release the roof catch the side windows drop a little to allow the roof to be lowered which is a nice touch, but to raise the roof you need to open both doors or leave the engine running to operate the windows as I couldn’t see an accessory setting to allow the windows to work with the engine off, maybe I missed it. Some manufacturers allow a window opening/closing function on the keyfob by holding down the lock or unlock button respectively, which would make this operation more convenient.

I have been quite critical, but these are minor niggles. The Mk.4 truly is a lovely car and a great driver’s car and deserves all the plaudits it has received, but following my test drives I took my Mk.3 over the same route and found it was almost as much fun for mere mortals!

So, would I buy one? - No, not yet. - I would wait until Mazda see sense and give the MX5 some colour choices that are more interesting and befitting. I would also wait to see what visual and trim enhancements are made with future Special Editions, so I will just wait a while yet. In the meantime those that are hooked by the Mk.4 will experience a very special drive. Happy motoring!!

A very interesting critique. By chance today I happened to pass my local Mazda dealership and noticed they had a couple of NDs on show so I popped in to take a look as I’d not yet seen one ‘in the flesh’. Whilst I did not take a test drive I did give the car a good look over and had a play with the instruments etc.

I would tend to agree with many of your comments and observations. The cupholders are indeed quite hideous and in the most impractical of positions. Why oh why would anyone put one next to the driver’s elbow? That means you have to reach across and behind with your right hand, surely a safety hazard. Even if it’s meant for the passenger it’s still a strange place to put it. Thank goodness it can be removed. I found the cockpit felt a little small and cramped compared to my NB. It actually reminded me a bit of my old MG midget although perhaps I should have put the seat a bit further back! I was also unimpressed by the boot which, although I was told is a larger volume, actually looked smaller and narrower. The extra depth is gained from not having a spare wheel, something I am not keen on as I find run-flat tyres make the ride quite harsh. The “inflator kit” provided - a tube of sealant and an inflator device, also instills little confidence. That may be fine for a small puncture caused by a nail or shard of metal etc, but anything more serious will leave you sitting on the side of the road waiting for the AA man. At least a space saver wheel would allow you to get on the road again quickly so you could get home or to a tyre fitter.

Looks-wise, I have to admit it wasn’t as unappealing as I had thought after seeing pictures in the press but it still doesn’t ‘do it’ for me. I didn’t walk away thinking “I’d really like one of those”. I also agree the colour choices are far from inspiring although the Soul Red is very nice. Why two shades of white? In fact, why have white at all? I would have hoped for a better range of colours but I suspect these have been chosen to make life easier for Mazda and cheaper for buyers. 

Despite my criticisms, I might still be tempted to take a test drive at some stage but I certainly won’t be buying one any time soon. I think I’ll wait a year or three when they start to appear on the secondhand market. As a car for occasional use I’m not going to pay out upwards of £20,000.

It will be interesting to hear what new owners have to say once they’ve had them for a while and had time to really test them out. 

My ears! Sacrilege! 

 

The boot is smaller in volume than the MK2 or MK3 but is meant to be a more usable shape.

The MK3 did not have a spare wheel either. Apart from weight saving (and cost) the reason is that there would be nowhere to store the alloy wheel with the punctured tyre after fitting the space saver. It wouldn’t fit in the boot and the passenger probably wouldn’t like it on their lap!

The ND doesn’t have run flats as far as I am aware if it did there would be no need for the inflation kit which I agree are probably not much use.

I think the ND looks good in white but my preference would be a bright blue like the winning blue used on the NC

 

white is fab, and this one sold with no problem at Club launch do at EMG Cambridge yesterday… 

also consider white is he Japanese national racing colour or somesuch…

Interested to read the references of the ND view/seating position to Spitfires and Midgets.

I’ve owned and driven numerours Triumphs. I found Spitfires, and GT6’s, quite claustrophobic in the view out for the driver.

And a significant reason for that was the seating position and wing view.

 

Generally speaking I prefer a sports car to be more than an exercise in corporate branding, or just another

expression of a corporate design philosophy ( The ‘look’ ).

 

Thumbs down.

 

Edited: To be fair, looking at the photo of the white one above, it seems to me that the drivers view out is more

akin to the Triumph TR’s 4, 5, 6… which were not claustrophobic.

 

 

 

I test drove the 2.0 sport nav + safety pack. That had Bilstein dampers fitted too, I think its unfair to say this car has a harsh ride, as it definitely handled our awful Essex roads with poise and comfort. It’s suspension has got to be 60% better than my original mk3 sport. 

However, that’s all the positives I can give it unfortunately. The one I tested STILL had the same  3rd to 2nd gear resistance associated with MX5 gearboxes and the other gears were not much better.

The lane alert that is supposed to buzz if the car wonders into other lanes was inaudible on trying it out and never beeped  at other occasions.

In my opinion its an even less practical car than before, it’s just a toy for a fun 60 minute thrill!

Went to thoroughly underwhelming third day of “launch event weekend” at Colliers Mazda in Erdington, Birmingham today. To be fair, I wasn’t exactly expecting a banjo player and a bouncy castle type of affair, but to be any more low-key the dealership would have to have been actually closed. At least I finally got to see the car ‘in the flesh’ and it looks better than the pictures somehow, except for the rear view which for me just doesn’t quite work. The red paint looks great, but I wouldn’t buy one; these days I’m a blue car kind of guy and the blue is possibly the worst colour in a ridiculously limited and dismal range. Interior: silly cup-holders and no glovebox raised my eyebrows like everyone else’s but otherwise it was a nice place to be. Pedals seemed a little further to the right than I’m used to and the steering wheel was a touch high for little old me, didn’t find any way to adjust in the short time I sat in it. Enter sales persons: first one told us you have to drop the bonnet from about 12 inches to close it, mustn’t press it to close as you would dent the aluminium. Second one was a revelation and openly preferred the mark 3.75 sitting next to the ND in the showroom. I’m no fan of darker wheels, and he said that instead of simply specifying bright wheels as an option, the dealership would get the wheels locally powder coated in my choice of colour for £300. I suspect I ruled myself out of any remaining chance of being allowed a test drive when I opened the boot and couldn’t stop myself asking out loud how on earth I was supposed to get my golf clubs in there. It’s deeper than before but a lot narrower.
In summary then: looks good from 3 sides, nice interior, poor colour range, impractical boot (only matters for some of us), dunno how it drives. I guess I probably won’t be getting the vacant Top Gear job.

 

I will agree entirely with last reply I took a look at both versions at Rayleigh mazda. I had my mk3 outside and thought some would be over to show me both models in showroom. Glad I sat in both. New cars always smell and feel great but felt I wouldn’t change at present. Drove back home enjoying what I got

Have just swapped our 2005 MK3 sport for a 2013 Sport Tech,same colour(Brill Black/Sparkly Black) nearly, and both soft tops.
I still prefer the 2005 MK3 front,hopefully the ‘Mazda’‘Grill’ will grow on me,also prefer the MK3 wheels–still 10 spoke but more sculptured on the Sport Tech.Main reason for change is cruise control,secondary reason 50k fewer miles.

I waited for the MK4 but it didn’t really do it for me,the 3 deal breakers are:-
(1)Smaller boot.
(2)Painted metal in the cockpit—A bit Fiat/Alf perhaps?
(3)The final straw–the dreadful Z3rear end–why o why did Mazda try to copy the most ugly Sports 2 seater ever built?!

I’m sure BMW build some good cars,never had one,but their 2 seaters are ugly,only attractive one they ever built was the 328.AIMPO.

 

There is no painted metal in the cockpit.

If you are referring to the tops of the doors they are plastic trims in body colour and look good at least I thought so when I took a test drive,

 

 

steering wheel is adjustable for height for info of poster above… 

and dropping the bonnet from 12 inches was certainly the guidance for my mk2 as well, so nothing new there,  for the same reason, and something i try to practice every time, as indeed aluminium will deform if pressed hard… 

the tops of the doors in the body coloured plastic are fab. Open the door and look at how sculptured they are, noticed that yesterday, a really nice bit that… 

Some quite negative views being expressed here which I am surprised by, so in the interests of balance, here is my impression.

I was lucky enough to drive a 1.5 round the Goodwood circuit for a few laps, and it felt great, a bit of roll, but nice turn in and agile handling round the chicanes.  I took the 2.0 for a test drive yesterday, and with the Bilsteins the turn in was even sharper, and the extra 29bhp was really quite noticeable, especially pulling away from a corner in 2nd or 3rd.

Some have mentioned offset pedals, lumps in the floor etc, but to be honest I just got in and drove.  No adjustments required or wanted, nothing in the way, it just felt very right.  As for the lack of glovebox, well, how many times do you use it really, and how much crap is in there that hasn’t been touched for years?  The cubby hole between the seats held my sunglasses and a dashcam and mount, so plenty of space for the essentials.  The screen doesn’t get in your eyeline much and therefore doesn’t distract you at all.  It is thee if you need to glance at it, but otherwise, you can easily ignore it and concentrate on the fun stuff.  The front wings are very visible in your view forward, but again, I really liked that, you get more of a sense of exactly where the front end is.

As for the boot, if you are buying a lithe little sports car on the basis of whether it will fit a set of golf clubs or not, then you are probably not looking in the right segment in the first place (and yes I do play).  As long as you can fit in a couple of squashy bags and a camera bag for a long weekend, then what’s the problem?

To put this in context, I used to have a 10th anniversary NB which I loved to bits.  I never really got the NC, it didn’t do anything for me, but the new ND looks absolutely fantastic from all angles.  I guess horses for courses but I love it.

i agree the launch colours aren’t exactly the widest of choices, but I for one am very happy to have pre-ordered a 2.0 SE-L Nav in Blue Reflex.  It may not look as good on screen, but in the flesh, in the sunshine, it looks great, and at least it will stand out from the 90% that will be Soul Red!

Roll on the end of October when I can finally get my hand on it having pre-ordered way back in March…

Popped into Milcars at Watford today as I had been invited to try the new 131PS Mk4, a short test drive with one of the sales managers, the smaller wheel size made for a smoother ride than the bigger engined car, on this drive the roof was up and it was very quiet and refined, at town speeds the ride was fine and had good feedback.

The dealership has an interesting selection of cars in the showroom including three Mk1s and a couple of 10AE Mk2s, the Sunday morning Danish and coffee was also a nice touch.

I have also driven the larger capacity 160PS car, Norton Way Mazda Letchworth had both engine sizes to try this weekend, the 2.0 litre has a lot more surge of the line but I have noticed the ride is indeed much firmer and if pressing on over slightly rough surfaces the feedback through the wheel can be a bit surprising, the lighter weight compared to my NC3 may have some effect but I must say mine handles the bumps with more confidence.

I agree with the OP that the colour choice is dire, Winning Blue would be my choice, I also think the seats are quite snug compared to my car, not sure I could do 12-14 hour days in the new car, love the stereo though, the best in an MX5 to date, both dealers say a PRHT will not be coming, but that if demand is there who knows? I think they are just guessing.

As I have a while to run on 0% finance on my current car it will be two years before I can afford to change, by then there may have been some changes, I don’t want to wait for the 30th AE to get a good colour though. I think the looks of the new car are great, a little more elbow room but at little less knee room, the bump in the floor does not affect shorter drivers but my friend who is over 6 foot tall found it to be an obstruction that spoilt the experience.

The cup holders did not bother me, I doubt I will miss them, the glove box deletion is not a problem for me and the boot whilst smaller is big enough for my needs, no way the club flagpole or gazebo will ever fit though.

 

All the time, I’ve never come across a car with no glovebox before. I’ve not had a chance to look at the ND yet but like what I’ve seen on here. We use our Mk2 for highdays and holidays, so as well as being a fun car it has to be practical. We get two small suitcases in the boot of our MK2 and a rucksack, beach bag and picnic bag on the shelf behind the seats, even with the hardtop on the car. If I can’t do the same with the new car then it will get a no vote from us.

 

Gra 

I seem to remember the same stuff being said about the MK3 10 years ago and the MK2 before that. 

There are plenty of very impractical cars out there, most of us already own one. 

 

As for the boot, if you are buying a lithe little sports car on the basis of whether it will fit a set of golf clubs or not, then you are probably not looking in the right segment in the first place (and yes I do play).  As long as you can fit in a couple of squashy bags and a camera bag for a long weekend, then what’s the problem?

 

Meanwhile, in the real world, many people can only afford to own one car, so it has to perform all the tasks they require of it. Perhaps if I could afford a car merely for the occasional long weekend, I’d feel superior enough to tell others less fortunate than me what sort of cars they should or shouldn’t be looking at owning. But I hope I’d be better than that, to be honest.

For the record, I was thrilled when I discovered I could get my clubs in the Mk3.5 so I could continue my ‘love affair’ with open top motoring and didn’t need to buy something more practical/dull. And I only mentioned the golf clubs comment in my terrible review above to explain how I inadvertently managed to talk myself out of a test drive of the new car. 

Woodsie what you need is my Zunsport grill, looks good and very easy to fit, no mods needed. As new £60 Ono. Just traded my 3.5 for a mk4. Seems to drive ok, can’t see how people can form a valid opinion on a car they have never driven though. Dave.

MickeyB, I was not trying to overly criticise, just pointing out that sometimes you can’t always have something that will ‘do it all’ otherwise the purity of the design and function will be lost.

Just look back to the launch of the F-type and all the comments about the boot being minute and wouldn’t fit a set of golf clubs, I would love to have one of those, but as you rightly point out, affordability is part of the equation, so it is way beyond me.  It hasn’t stopped it being a beautiful car that is selling nicely though.

Yes it is a shame the boot isn’t bigger, but if it was, would it still look so great? Would the proportions look all wrong?  You still wouldn’t be able to get a new washing machine in the back like I could in my old Passat estate.  Do I miss that capability, yes I do, but would I want a 2 seater that was bodge designed to allow it, absolutely not.