Mx5 parts 421 help

  1. My model of MX-5 is: mk1 1.6
  2. I’m based near: Chichester
  3. I’m looking for technical help or recommendations on: MX5 parts 421 manifold

Hello I’m looking for advice regarding the MX5 parts 421 manifold. I recently had the part fitted but I find it to be very tiny (and loud) so much so to me it makes the car sound broken. The part was fitted by a mazda dealership and has already been back to check it was fitted correctly / not blowing.

They have informed the noise is simply the part itself.

Is this normal? Or has anyone else had this problem?

Sorry to say but some of the cheaper stainless steel manifolds can sound a bit tinny. However if you still have the cat, resonator & backbox then the sound should be not that different apart from at high revs. Are you sure there’s not a heatshield that’s been disturbed when it was fitted that’s resonating?
I once fitted a silenced cat bi-pass pipe from MX5parts, it sounded awful so came straight back off!

You can check for an exhaust leak by putting your hand (protected obviously) over the exhaust tailpipe to try and briefly seal off the escaping gases. If there’s a leak the resistance will be less and you’ll hear the gas escaping further up the system. No leak and you won’t be able to hold your hand over it for more than a second or two. Best do this just after you start the car from cold or you’ll burn your hand!

Thank you for your response, I will check the heat shields.

The car has a decat and cobalt back box ( before the install the car sounded nice and deep) now I can hear the nice deep tone along with a very load ring manifold. Sounds lovely on idle and up to 1500rpm. Beyond that it makes the car sound broken like there is something very lose.

The original downpipe will have been bolted to the bellhousing. The 4-2-1 header (which I suspect is the usual copy of a Racing Beat item) won’t. What you are hearing is a harmonic because you esentially have a straight pipe from the engine to the rear of the car, supported by rubber bands.

I suspect, except for the boot floor one, you no longer have any heatshields. Ypou’ve put a decat on it; cheapie straight pipe or a silenced decat? Personally, I’d refit a cat.

Crawl around under the car and check the manifold hasn’t resulted in some part of the catback has ended up touching the PPF etc.

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I’d have to agree with this, it made little to no difference in performance when I removed the silenced decat on my old 1.6 and fitted a new cat (pattern) It certainly made the sound a lot nicer and stopped it sounding like an angry nest of wasps!

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There’s are the three parts fitted:

Exhaust Manifold, MX5 Parts Stainless Steel, MX5 Mk1 1.6

Catalytic Convertor By-Pass Pipe, Stainless Steel, MX5 Mk1 (mx5parts.co.uk)

Cobalt Exhaust Systems - MX-5 Mk1 - Exhaust Systems - Exhaust - MX-5 Mk1 (NA) - Mazda - Shop by Model (moss-europe.co.uk)

Everything sounded nice until the manifold was fitted.

Does it take a while for a stainless steel exhaust to bed in?
Perhaps the sound will alter with time?

As an aside, the MX-5Parts manifold I fitted to my NB has clearance issues and rumbles against the passenger seat footwell on occasion.

Did they remember to change the hangers. Have you visually inspected the entire system your self to make sure its not contacting on anything. That ncludes tugging the system from side to side, up and down. Have they taken the bell housing bracket off (they should have).

The manifold will passivate. One disadvantage of paying someone to fit this is that you have lost forever the chance to “blue” it (wash it down with alcohol before its fired up for the first time).

As I found out myself and indeed professional exhaust fitters advice.
Unfortunately not. Stainless Steel will actually get louder as it heats up and therefore louder/more noisy than the standard mild steel components. SS actually expands more than mild steel.
On saying that SS is by far the better material for the job, in my opinion of course.

Even after a few thousand miles it doesn’t change. It’s the nature of the beast as they say. :+1::slightly_smiling_face:

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I assume the reason the factory manifold downpipe has a braket attached to the bellhousing/gearbox is to isolate NVH and improve longevity of the system.

Without this, the manifolfd and exhaust run to the back of the car, hanging off rubber hangers. The whole exhaust may be twisting as the engine (on rubber engine mounts) goes in a different direction to the body.

Stainless steel welds are also more brittle than mild steel welds. Japanese aftermarket headers often use Goodrich tubing (flexi joint) bolting up to the cat. I think this is to give a degree of tolerance in fitment, and to reduce vibrations to the manifold. The one piece manifolds don’t achieve this. I recall back in the day, the US made Jackson Racing headsers having problems with welds cracking. I have the MX5parts 1.8 Mk1 header. After a couple of years, it cracked on one of the runners, at the cylinder head flange. Luckily, I was able to get it welded, and its been all good since.

A 1.6 I had came with a typical Chinese 4-2-1 header, likely identical to the MX5parts 1.6 item. The car had been mildly lowered, and this header seemed to hang a little lower than stock. Evidently, it had kissed a few speed bumps over the years, and this was enough for one of the welds to open up. For the effort of removing the header, finding a welder, who would need to clean the metal before welding, as it was stainless steel, it was easier to get another identical header for £100, and just replace it.

If fitting a header, I would take the entire exhaust off, and start from the front of the car, rather than try and force a fit where the end of the header is not quite in the same place as the rest of the exhaust. A Mazda dealer will do it by the book, and will make disclaimers because the exhaust is aftermarket.

Easy diy job. With a couple of axle stands down one side, I am able to wiggle under the car, and remove/refit an exhaust. At the moment, none of the nuts will be rusted, so should be easy. The tyre jack makes for a handy third hand at certain stages.

Disconnect the cat pipe from both ends (or loosen the bolts). Fit the front of the cat to the header (check if the garage fitted a new gasket or not. I’d fit a new gasket, making sure the flanges were perfectly clean.

The Cobalt system as I recall comes in two bolt together sections. Undo these sections. The mid section will now hang from the hangers (post-1995, the front hanger was deleted). I think it will be easier to unhook from the hanger (soapy water helps). Connect to the cat pipe, like before, with fresh gasket. Hook back up to the hangers.

Now the back box. This is where it is handy to have something to rest it on, once you take it off the hangers. Reassemble to the mid-pipe. Now lift it up and hook back up the the hangers. Here, I find I need to do the most tweeks to the rubber, to get the tail pipe to sit centrally and not too low/high.

Places to check for rattling; the mid silencer might be a bit close to the PPF. The rear silencer or tailpipe might hit the rear tiedown.

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Yep, put the cat back and everything should be good. I speak from experience doing almost exactly the same thing!

The OP has used a silenced cat pipe, so probably in this case, at least for the tone, refitting a cat probably won’t make much difference.

I wouldn’t assume the Mazda dealer has invested the time to fit a customer-supplied aftermarket part. If the OP can’t do the work themselves, there are a few MX5 specialists in the West Sussex area that can probably sort it out (Dr MX5, Solent MX5, Sussex 5s).

I thought that when I fitted one, but the harsh angry wasp noise went away when I removed my MX5parts silenced decat. If you look inside it’s just a slightly baffled straight through tube. If you put a cat back it will defuse the tinny noise from the manifold as it’s next in line.

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