NA Catalytic converter recommendations

Hi all,

I’ve got a 1993 UK Spec MX5 1.6 NA and, after several years of using cheap aftermarket cats which seem to last barely a year or two before needing replacement, I’d like to know if anyone could recommend a decent catalytic converter they’ve bought in the past? Mine’s an early car, so I’ll need the 345/375mm angled type.

I was looking into buying a genuine Mazda cat, but Mazda are quoting £518 plus VAT(!) for them. I appreciate this would probably last the lifetime of the car, but is just a tad pricey, so if there are any more reasonably priced ones out there that are of good quality, it’d be good to know.

Looking at MX5 Parts, they only seem to sell a cheap aftermarket one and it’s got really terrible reviews, with lots of people saying they last barely a year.

I saw that MX5Bitz sell a type approved one which I was considering (see link below) - has anyone got any experience of these?

http://www.mx5bitz.co.uk/mx5/view_product.php?product=109

 

Any advice or recommendations will be appreciated!

Cheers,

Gerry

Hi
mx 5 bitz is a good product.The guy that runs it was really helpful
ive had mine on a year, and just had MOT and no problems
I would recommend 100%
hope that helps
cheers Andy

I doubt a factory cat would last the life of the car, otherwise there would be no market cheap replacement cats. They have a finite service life, dependent on many factors. Many replacement cats might fail prematurely due to the original engine fault that lead to the factory cat failing not being fixed.

On my 1996 Roadster, I’ve replaced the cat 3 times since 2005. The first replacement hit a rock, which destroyed the innards; the original cat may have died because I had a failing engine (stuck scraper rings0 chucking out oil. The replacement was a longer UK 440mm cat; I had a MX5parts manifold with their poor fit adapter pipe for Roadsters. I used a cat from MX5parts; that lasted until last year, but in the last few years, the car has struggled on emissions, which Thrussington tracked down to a failing MAS

Its been said, without offering evidence, that factory catalytic converters should last 80k miles, and aftermarket, 25k miles.The Mk1 factory catalytic converter wasn’t exactly of an advanced design. That might come from US EPA requirements; you can find claims that cats (in the US) need to be warrantied for 5 years or 50k miles, other claims are cats on OBDII cars have to last for 80k miles, and on OBDI for 25k miles (better emissions control on later cars. All Mk1s sold here had neither. There are claims that aftermarket cats don’t last as long as there is a smaller volume of catalytic material available, and that you can tell that by comparing external dimensions. Others will dismiss that, presumably on the basis that 2018 aftermarket cats are taking advantage of more advanced ceramic materials not available 28 years ago to Mazda. And then you have to consider year car is now 25 years old. The engine is now a little worn, its not running as clean as the day it was new. Cat life will be diminished

I pretty sure the supplier of cats to MX5parts is a lottery; they seem to change in appearance fairly frequently, so the reviews might be of little help.

If you are looking for genuine long term collective experience of catalytic converters on MX5 Miatas, you need to look across the Atlantic. Flowmaster, Borla and Magnaflow are frequently cited there as provided the highest quality aftermarket catalytic converters. Most of the major UK suppliers don’t own up to where their components are coming from; UK, EU, US or China.

Back in the day, “Racing Beat” cats were rated above “Jackson Racing” cats. In truth, both companies used to knock up their cats in their workshops using 3rd party sourced components. I visited Racing Beat’s Anaheim shop back in 2000, and can testify everything they did was done by a small band of welding artists. JR was a bit different; long ago, Oscar Jackson sold his trademark to Moss, so who knows made the stuff for Moss. OBX? Racing Beat Europe sell cats they are assembling themselves, using Magnaflow core:
https://www.racingbeateurope.com/bmazda-mx5-1989--1998--high-flow-catalytic-converter-16-or-18-msamot-compliantb-2266-p.asp

Nice looking flanges, better than the pig iron thats tacked onto most aftermarket cats.

But whatever, I suggest that you ensure your engine is in tip top condition, before spending more on a cat; new plug leads, new OE-quality O2 sensors, maybe even investigate if a new AFM is needed.

Or just stay with the cheapest, safe in the knowledge that, unlike factory cats, the studs will never be seized.

Thanks for the recommendation Andy - I hope the cat lasts for a good few years.

The Non type approved cats I sell are made from generic core material and carry a 2 year guarantee.

Important to ensure that where a catalytic converter has failed, the problem is not related to the car. Any running issue that introduces excessive hydrocarbons or neat fuel into the exhaust system will quickly overwhelm or melt any cat, dealer supplied or aftermarket.

Where the car is serviced and running as well as possible but still has a tendency to fail the MOT on emissions, I would recommend the more expensive type approved version of the cat as core has more precious metals inpregnated to meet the standard of the original equipment part. The MK2, particularly 1.8 often responds better to the type approved cat. Our NA cars luckily seems to have low emissions and my 1997 car has had the same aftermarket cat(non type approved), fitted around 13 years ago.

Why are your aftermarket cats failing - is it MOT emissions or physical failure? Important when fitting any new cat to properly commission it. This means getting it sufficiently hot on its first run to fully expand the matting that surrounds and  supports the fragile ceramic core. If the one-off matting expansion is incomplete, the cat will not last very long as the support will fail prematurely causing the core to rattle in the cat and eventually break up or turn and block the flow.             

Thanks Andy - it’s good to know someone who has had a good experience with the MX5Bitz cats, so I might well go down that route when I replace mine.

Saz, thanks for the info. That’s a good point about modern cats vs 28 year old technology Mazda OE ones - I’d noticed that the majority of aftermarket cats are tiny compared to the Mazda OE one and assumed this was a sign that they were inferior (which it may be, given the price difference but who knows).

Whichever one I decide on ,  I’m definitely going to get my engine checked out before getting the new cat, as I’m pretty sure the plug leads I’ve currently got have seen better days, so will probably get some OE ones next.

 

 

Ironically, original spec Yazaki leads were the weak link, to the extent that Mazda USA used NGK blues as replacements.

I have a 91 NA and I removed the cat and put a piece of Audi exhaust in instead. It runs MUCH better now without the cat AND its legal. Check DVLA site for when it became mandatory to have a cat. You might not need one. 

 

Cat needed for UK market cars from J-reg onwards.

 

Your car is probably running better because the cat was starting to collapse.

My current cat passed the MOT on its second attempt last year (first time it failed on CO emissions, but passed on HC), but only after I ran cat cleaner through the system and gave it a good run before the re-test. I can now hear it rattling when I accelerate sometimes, so I’m pretty sure it’s physically damaged.

I will get the car checked out before I buy a new cat and will replace the leads - it is a bit “fluffy” when I start it from cold so something isn’t 100% right and that could be causing the failure of the cat I guess.

If the cat is rattling your emissions will be all over the place as gases able to bypass the cat.

Be careful driving it in this condition as it is fragile material that can break up and lodge further down the exhaust system. Worst case scenario is a blockage.

Two reasons for a newish cat rattling…

  1. not heated up sufficiently when first commissioned, so supportive matting so expanded suffiently to do its job.

  2. neat fuel in the exhaust has superheated the cat on ignition and damaged the core. This is usually caused by misfiring where fuel is not ignited in the cylinders and then ejected neat into the exhaust.

On the subject of leads, I can only advise from my MX5 cars owned for 15+ years and the working leads that are invariably still in good condition on the coilpacks I have handled over the years - 100s. The original style 7mm leads are the most reliable. If I have found damaged, poor sealing, corroded or poor performance(resistance) leads, these are often the 8mm leads from Magnicore or similar.       

   

Hi Gerry,

Another   for MX5Bitz, bought mine almost two years ago as I had cooked the old cat, washed engine, water in plughole misfire etc.

Owner very helpful and rang me to check I had got the correct size for a Mk1. Bought OEM spec version which came with nuts, bolts& gaskets for minimal extra cost, still looks good with no rust.

Dave

Grassroots Motorsport have just republished an interesting face off test of the most popular MX5 aftermarket cars, factory against a cat pipe:

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/catalytic-converter-face-/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Catalytic+Converter+Face-Off&utm_campaign=GRMDaily




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