I understood that the ND was lighter than the NC.
I have compared the weight of our current 2010 2.0 Miyako PHRT with a 2024 ND RF 2.0 Homura:
2010 NC Miyako 1165kg
2024 ND RF Homura 1170 kg
Have I got this wrong?
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Thank you, but my research indicates that, in the case of the particular models quoted, the ND is slightly heavier. Have I made a mistake?
I think the ND has got a little bloated over the years, my 2017 ND RF Launch Edition is 1120 kg
But at the same time, Parkers have the stats for the Homura at 1093 kg or 1119 kg (manual or automatic) so it might have actually been on a diet!
Where are you getting your figures from and are they the same weight (dry vs. wet, etc.)?
Have you compared base model to base model?
A good point, but no I havenât. I have compared our current MX5 with the model I am most interested in to replace it with. It may well be that base model to base model comparisons are different but not strictly relevant for me.
If youâre going to copy paste my text word for word at least say so, I remember writing that nearly 9 years ago, wow time flies 
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Also, donât forget about the 990S model, it was a 1.5 and marketed as the lightest ND at 990kg, not much heavier than the 1989 car.
Yeah the ND seems to have got heavier each year with all the added options, RF model, etc.
My September '15 1.5L model with basic SE-L spec was just under a ton with a splash of fuel in it, before I made a few choice mods to get it down to more like 980kg.
The 30AE I had on the same scales was more like 1060kg, and a very new ND2 2L was about the same.
When you add 50kg for the RF model, a bit more for heated leather seats, a bit more for BBS wheels, etc etc, you can see how well into the 1100s is possible.
For comparison my 2006 2L Sport NC1 was around 1080kg, and UK spec 1992 NA without power steering 955kg. All of this on the same Intercomp corner weight scales.
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An interesting and informative post, thank you. I had assumed that the ND had continued to be lighter than the later NCâs from what I had read over several years but it would appear this assumption was erroneous! I suppose the current 2.0 litre engine now produces 181 bhp compared with 156 bhp previously which might be regarded as some compensation.
I have just looked again at the specifications for the 2024 RF Homura on the Mazda UK website. The kerb weight quoted includes 75 kg for the driver (regrettably I am a few kg over that!) so that would bring the weight down to 1096kg so that particular ND is actually 57kg lighter than our current NC PRHT (assuming that the weight quoted does not also include 75 kg for the driver)
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I think the 1096kg will be âdryâ so add 12kg or so for coolant and oils.
There seems to be several definitions of kerb weight. I donât know which one Mazda are quoting.
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The weight given for my 2017 1.5 is 975Kg after deducting the assumed 75Kg driver. This makes the ND 1.5 practically identical in size, weight, power and performance to the NA 1.8.
A decent achievement considering the frame on the ND will be considerably stiffer and it also has modern comfort and safety features, including side impact protection, multiple airbags etc.
Anyway I have persuaded myself that the 1.5 ND is the standard bearer for the original. I love it.
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If you shave off the hair around the base it looks bigger 
The NC wasnât the bloated monster most people claim it to be, especially the 1.8, which started as 1080kg in standard trim. Those who can cast their minds back 20 years will remember Mazdaâs âgram strategyâ where even the rear view mirror was lightened compared to the NB.
I think every generation gets more bloated towards the end of its run as extra equipment is added. The ND has now been around as long as the NA was (unless you consider the NB as a life-extended NA).
Quite right. I rather passed over the Mk3 but my son has one now and I think itâs a terrific car. Definitely not a boat.
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