Removing the supercharger on a new car to me

  1. My model of MX-5 is: Mk1__
  2. I’m based near: Whitstable__
  3. I’m looking for technical help or recommendations on: __Supercharger
    Hello

I have just joined the forum as I’m contemplating buying a 1991 MX-5. I have no experience of these vehicles at all but have been offered the car by a my best friends wife. Sadly he died prematurely four years ago and the car has remained MOT’d but unused to in that period. The car is in good condition and has had a professional respray, retrimmed interior and a supercharger fitted. I seem to remember my friend saying the supercharger , new clutch ,ECU and all associated bits cost £5400 to be fitted about eight years ago by a specialist.

My question is how difficult is it to remove the supercharger and replace the car back to stock? I am told the car comes with all the old parts.

Has anyone any experience of doing this I can advise me on the pitfalls. My immediate thoughts are about changing the injectors and the ECU and how that will need to be reprogrammed. I have noticed in the current deflated classic car market a big variation in prices of these car and I have been offered this car for £2500 with no MOT. It was tested 15 months ago and unused. Here are a few photos of the car.



Thank’s in advance.

Due to the supercharger it is very likely to have had an ECU change. If you still have the original one, it can be refitted but depending on what’s been done to the wiring of sensors etc it probably won’t be straightforward and unless you’re experienced (and no disrespect meant, simply because you’ve asked here, you’re likely not to be) you’ll need professional help.

However, having done my own, one off supercharger conversion (albeit to a different sportscar), a supercharged car can be a delight to drive.

Do you really need to downgrade it? Many here would love to buy the one you’re being offered, especially at such a bargain price!

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I’ve just looked at the photo of your car on a bigger screen. It looks like it’s actually been fitted with a turbocharger, rather than a belt driven supercharger.

Same advice applies though, although the fitting of a new ECU has almost certainly been done! :grinning:

If you don’t want it, please ask the seller to let me be first in the queue!

Thanks for that information. I am not seeing the car until next week , so I am unsure about the vehicle only what I have been told

Yeah, that’s a turbo, not a supercharger.

What the bloody hell are you waiting for? Buy that damn car, if not for you then you could make a few grand no problem.

And, I have to ask, WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE TURBO??? Just buy this one, sell it and use the money to buy a mint one stock, probably with some money left over. Saying that, you could probably sell the turbo kit to recoup your losses from removing it. But why? Just buy a stock one and let someone enjoy this one if you don’t want to.

Even with a turbo, these aren’t exactly frightening cars to drive. Just drive it gently if the turbo worries you. I have heard that mk1’s can be turbo’d without changing the ECU if the right injectors are used, but it all looks like a very tidy job so I imagine the ECU was remapped, if not changed completely. You may find it’s a programmable ECU and you can just install the stock files to it, or plug and play so you can “tune” it yourself. But even a remapped ECU can be restored to stock.

BUT WHY, DAMMIT WHYYYYYY

Thanks for those comments Ron and just a little bit of history. The car belonged to my best friend and he is lavished money and time on it over the years , probably owning it for 15 years. His wife was offered £1500 by a dealer for the vehicle with without an MOT. However he said he would increase his offer if she MOT’d it to 3K. His point of view was that because the car had been modified with the supercharger/turbo that it would only appeal to people who want to use it for track days and it would have to be converted back to original spec to sell easily. So not knowing these cars at all, but having a real interest in MG’s I said to my friend that I would take it for that price. She has insisted that because I’ve done quite a bit for her since his death and that he would be particularly happy for me to have the car so the price is £2500 . As I said in an earlier post there seems to be a lot of vehicles about with various price tags and from what you’re saying this turbocharger is quite valuable. Previously she told me that the car did not run well since it’s conversion hence the reason why I am contemplating removing it. However you seem to be inferring that it should run really well with the correct mapping. So because we are close friends obviously I cannot buy and then sell this vehicle for another, I am committed to using it for the foreseeable future.

A turbo makes this car absolutely fantastic as they can be a bit underpowered in their standard form!

Get it on the road and enjoy it! From the moment you take it out youll love it!

That is worth considerably more than 3k as people do want these turbocharged/supercharged and would rather not do the work themselves.

Buy and enjoy. Fantastic car

Thanks for the comments and I appreciate that the car obviously become more powerful and probably quite similar to the cooper s countryman that I drive at the moment. Although I’ve not heard the car run ,I’ve been told that it is a little bit unreliable in its tick over and the stopping at lights etc. How easy is it to resolve these issues with what I would have thought would be the mapping of the system and are there any specialist near to southeast England that I could use to help resolve it.
Initially I thought the only way to make the car reliable was to remove this add-on but from what you’re all saying it is very desirable and can be made but a reliable.
From what people are saying it also seems like a bargain at the moment. Thanks for your comments

find out what stuff is fitted to it first especially the Ecu, there are lots of people who can help with mapping etc you just need to pick the right ones.
As said get it running properly and enjoy it, fantastic cars with a Turbo.

The dealer is probably correct. Its a tiny market, and this car has a turbo kit that even the manufacturer says is obsolete.

The dealer needs to make some money on the car, so £3k for the car is very fair. On a good day, with everything good, the cqr will sell for £5k tops. But it will sit around for a while. Even £1500 for a car without MOT is pretty decent. There is no telling what the spend might be at today’s labour rates to get it through. I’m seeing decent Mk1s regularly selling for £2000. This particular car, if you were being picky, needs a few bits sorting out on the interior to get it correct (V-Spec door tops, grips).

Whether a turbo improves the car depends on the quality of the installation and kit. On an old car like this, it won’t improve reliability for sure. Even 15 years ago, owners of such cars were forever fettling/keeping them running. This turbo is basically a FM Voodoo II kit (Flyin’ Miata). It its from 15 years ago, it would likely have been supplied byPhil Dixon at Performance-5. He’s no longer on the scene. Many of these were supplied and fitted by P5. Others were supplied as DIY kits. A few might have been imported direct from FM in the US, but I think P5 might have had exclusivity at one point.

You need to seek out Steve Morecroft; Steve was Phil’s mechanic, but left P5 to go alone, specialising in MX5 turbos. So he knows the FM kit. I think these days he’s more into Land Rovers.

The money spent is inline with what the FM kits with install were going for. That number doesn’t mean whoever fitted had a clue. There were a LOT of cowboys then fitting these things, and taking people’s money. Steve spent a lot of time sorting out other people’s bodges.

One of my previous MX5s did have a FM kit at one point, but the owner had taken it off, put it back to stock. To be honest, there were too many cut and mended wires in the loom, and I decided to keep my high mileage Mk1 rather the much lower ex-turbo car. The car ran ok, but I had enough niggling issues with it to convince me I didn’t want to spend all my time trying to guess where the latest wire break was. And this was a car very well known from the car show scene, which had been in a few magazine articles. Some installs might have been done well, others might be a nightbare of scotchlocks, inept soldering (instead of ■■■■ connectors), twisted wire connections/insulation tape/sellotape. Besides the electrics, fueling, exhaust manifold, you will also need to sort out the sump which will have been drilled and tapped for the oil return line.

It might be running badly because of the map. But it also might be running poorly because of other reasons.

I’m not convinced 15 year old turbo kits are worth all that; a few hundred quid, and it might cost you that putting it back to standard spec. The turbo might be on its last legs. Put it back to stock to get the car running right, certainly, but not because there is any value in what’s coming off.

I have a rule never to sell cars to friends and family. You end up feeling obligated. Its a big risk paying £2500 for this car without a MOT.

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Sorry to hear about the loss of your best friend.

Unless you are prepared to do a lot of tinkering and learning wether you keep the turbo on or take it off I’d take that as a big red flag right there, friend or no, that with the lack of MOT would be a sign for me to walk away, unless you are prepared to dig into deep pockets.

Comes down to are you feeling lucky you might be able to get it all sorted for a couple of hundred squid and if not what is the price of loyalty.

Good luck what ever you choose.

Can I thank everyone for their comments and I will not know any more really until I see the car next Thursday. There has been a complete spectrum of comments on this from both enthusiasm and reality. My friend was fastidious in all aspects of his life including his car but didn’t have a lot of automotive know-how. I think what has changed is my enthusiasm is now tempered with a real sense of trepidation and realization about this turbo installation… Having owned in the past both vintage MGs and an MGB I am aware of costly pitfalls. Having checked the installation of the FM kit online ,a new sump cover would be in order to reverse the oil return line. I suppose over the winter I could pull the engine out and remove all the paraphernalia with relative ease and bring it back to stock. It is the wiring that has me worried now by a previous comment . Anyway we shall see, but one thing is for certain this is a very friendly forum. THANK YOU.

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Highly unlikely this has a programmable ecu with the air flow meter still installed, it will likely be fitted with the voodo box (piggy back)
With no boost it should run perfectly well on the stock ecu, but a quick look at the pic I would suspect possible air leaks post air flow meter.
I cant see any reason why this could not be reverted back to stock easily or equally left as FI and made to run perfectly well, Flyin Miata kits were never budget kits.
Full fitting instructions in the link.
As long as the sump oil return was just siliconed in then unscrew and fit a 3/8 npt plug, no need to replace the sump.

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Thank you for your advice, I’ve spent a while online looking at various videos of what are the pitfalls in buying MX5 from the early 90s. I’m actually visiting my friend on Thursday and we’ll have a look around the car on Thursday evening and also Friday morning. I’m taking a trolley jack and some axle stands so I can just lift the car and have a really good look. However it does seem there are quite a few nice cars for sale at the moment at very very reasonable prices and they’ve had quite a lot of work done. Clearly the current market is quite depressed and especially for convertibles coming into the winter period.
You say there is a extra piggyback box on the ECU, from what I’ve seen there’s only a few wires so hopefully I will be able to match in some wires either by hard soldering or by connectors.