I wouldnât. I hate to get political but this is another example of the EU meddling. This speed limiter EU law could see the death of new car showrooms. I intend to buy the new 2019 184bph 2.0 in a year or two and keep it until I dieâŚ
No I wouldnt either, the radar cruise control systems are bad enough, doing 70 on a dual carridgeway and it picks up the speed limit on a ajacent road at 30 and abruptly slows you down, if the system fixes you at the limit then YOUR DEAD. The system are just not good enough to make the driver feel safe
The UK will âFOLLOW SUITâ as weâve always said. The EU law will not apply to us when we leave. Please donât believe the headlines in the âDaily Expressâ. Most modern cars already have them in one form or another - cruise control - and the technology is already there to link it to a radar control. In the latest ND itâs called âTraffic Sign Recognitionâ.
Had that on a hired Golf in Ireland. Only there for 3 days and used it very little, in which time I had one false positive when the car braked quite hard because of a car (which I had seen some time before) moving at the side of the road.
It didnât work well at maintaining motorway separation either - whilst it was effective as a means of preventing a collision, viewed as automation of normal driving which is how people use it I found that it left things a bit too long and then braked - well past the point where I would have lifted off a bit to avoid braking.
I have concerns about automation in cars anyway. Fine perhaps in aircraft where the drivers are highly trained (and even they misunderstand what the aircraft is doing from time to time) but not in cars with drivers of very variable ability. And it seems obvious to me that the âattendantâ approach is flawed -remember the Uber test âdriverâ whose self-driving Volvo ran over a woman pushing a bike? Even if she hadnât been watching TV, would she have intervened in time, or just waited for the car to act on the developing situation until it was too late?
Does anybody leave lane keeping switched on? What a useless feature that is.
Not me! Totally agree!!
Mixing limited cars with non limited cars is a very bad idea, plus this kill kill the new car market, there will be an 18 month or so glut of sales then it will die overnight. Lots of job loses.
They have been provisionally agreed, after the public backlash iâve seen from this iâm not sure it will be enforced. If it is then it will overnight kill the new car market off as youâre not going to buy a new âlimited carâ when last years model isnât.Â
Iâve said it elsewhere that if this does come in then itâs the beginning of the end for freedom of travel for the average person.
What a great way of getting rid of tailgaters. Just screw an old 30 mph sign on the back of your van,
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You can overide the limiters under the new laws by double pess of the accelerator .
If you decide to overide the speed limiter and involved in a accident and they use the information from the cars black box to prove that,then you deserve any punishment you get.It will just be easier to gather this information for the investigation of any incident rather than bias angry witnesses. Â
My daily has Lane Keep Assist.
One level beeps, the other level actually steers. The car will self steer for 50 yards if you let go of the wheel.
Rather unerving, I donât like not being in control.
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It also has speed limiting if I switch it on.
It works faultlessly, but it is a manual process.
I set the speed manually, the car will not go beyond this unless I floor the pedal or maybe pickup speed coasting downhill.
It then beeps at me until Iâm back down to speed.
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Further to this, it has camera in the windscreen which reads the speed signs, this pops up in the binnacle.
Iâve no excuse to not know the speed limit.
Iâve never had it show say 30 in a 70, but have had it where it doesnât know.
Like first thing in the morning on my commute where iâve not gone through a road sign for the first few miles.
I know this is a radical idea but maybe what we need to do is get people to use the roads properly first and actually concentrate on the act of driving, the reason i say this is a lot of people I see in other cars on my daily journey are doing everything but what they should be doing.Â
Iâm not sure what the stats are now but the biggest accident used to be the roundabout shunt where one car is waiting behind another to go. The first car sets off only to brake a moment later, the second car then piles into the back because theyâre not looking where theyâre going, theyâre looking to their right as to whether they can go or not. Thatâs just a basic lack of awareness.
Personally speaking i saw a woman have an accident all on her own on the A13 coming out of London. She was in the third lane (3 lane A-road, motorway rules) dawdling along doing about 50 if that on an empty road. Me and several other cars went past her in the first lane, next thing i see is the same car hitting the central reservation and bounce across the other lanes with parts flying everywhere. Me and a couple of others stopped and went to help, called the police etc. When we asked what happened she was messing with her radio, saw other cars, panicked and shot into the barrier. So now thatâs one road completely shut down, one woman sat with a very broken car, a lot of emergency services called out and a lot of other peoples day inconvenienced by someoneâs lack of awareness. And this happens on that stretch of road on a regular basis because people donât know how to use lanes or are busy messing around with mobiles/infotainment. My colleague comes down that road to work and tells me probably 2 out of 5 days thereâs been a shunt somewhere, itâs only a 10 mile or so stretch of road and theyâre not speeding as itâs rush hour traffic.Â
Another managed to hit me the other week as they were messing with their mobile phone, luckily they bounced off the wheel so thatâs all it cost me. Iâve had someone reverse into the car cracking the lower grille already this year so personally speaking iâm ÂŁ300 down through no fault of my own due to other people not looking what theyâre doing. So itâs not just speed that kills or causes accidents, in fact iâd argue that the people going a bit quicker are more than likely concentrating more.Â
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Forensic analysis of ECUs after accidents is already carried out. Also used by manufacturers to decline warranty claims.
I suspect this will have very little impact on car sales. Most people wonât care, just as most Smax buyers donât really care it has it right now.
This technology was developed in the UK, and funded by the Dft. The UK It is already incorporated into TFL bus standards. As the UK government has championed this, it would be incongurous for this not to be adopted into UK legislation.
Zeta Automotive, a great British company, going to do well on exports
https://www.zetaautomotive.com/isa/
Document mentioning incorporation into UK standards last year:
NI Assembly paper on the matter, from 2007:
THe EU commission approves the wording, this goes to the EU Parliament, where Parliamentarians will be sure to debate it vigorously. They make changes, and then its off to the Council of Ministers.
An interesting aspect is the ability of the driver to disable the system prior to setting off on their journey. This signals intent, so a mitigating defence of claiming accidental speeding goes away. By turning off the system (this is opposed to the double tap of the accelerator) indicates the driver fully expects to break the law during their journey.
Interesting stats:
This has been well signposted for a while, and the press is making mischief at a sensitive time.
Easier said than done.
Even after intensive and frequent training, pilots still crash planes, sea captains sale onto rocks.
Aids like this are intended to allow drivers to concentrate more on the task in hand.
I would argue the complete opposite tbh, the more aids there are in a car the less you will concentrate on the job in hand. When you have a car that will adaptive cruise up to the limit, keep you in lanes, adapt your speed to the car in front, switch your wipers and lights on etc etc then what is there left for the driver to do?
Their mind goes wandering, start playing with infotainment and phones, have a drink/eat/put makeup on (have seen that plenty of times) because they expect the car to do all the work for them.
Discuss with the manufacturer. I am merely stating the intent of the engineers who designed the system.
Pilots have autopilot. I guess they are playing cards, drinking and smoking during the flight.
How many times have we heard some pathetic motorist whine they were caught speeding because they didnât notice the bright yellow full sized van to the side of the road.
You have a limited view, compared to me, what the driver has to do. Donât you ever think about the car 3 cars ahead, or the kids at the crossing 100 yards up the road, or the car filtering from the left, or the weaving van behind you a couple of cars back?
Which has whatâs happened with trucks since they have had speed limiters fitted. Their accident rate has gone up!
Thatâs the point, i am concentrating on whatâs ahead and around because iâm not messing with everything else. I am looking around me because thatâs what i got trained to do when I was learning. So far in over 20 years of driving itâs stood me in good stead as i have a clean licence and have never claimed on my insurance.
I donât want some electronics to hit the brakes or tell me constantly i need to do this or that because as an intelligent human being iâm capable of making those decisions all on my own.
We really need to stop nannying and let people live FFS.
In twenty years time in all likelihood you, your children and grandchildren will be buying a self driving car. There will be no more lorry drivers and by 2040 no more diesel and petrol cars being produced. Petrol and diesel will slowly be phased out just as in the way leaded petrol has been removed from the market. The upcoming generation will have no real interest in driving leaving it all to self driving vehicles which will no doubt be much cheaper which is the bottom line. This new proposal to limit speed is just the start of the regulations that will eventually mean the end of the internal combustion engine and the replacement of the driver by a computer. Our keys will be taken away and our cars consigned to a museum or the scrapheap. It was good while it lasted ! So your 2022 MX 5, SWANSONG EDITION , car will last about 18 years just giving it time to rust away.
Love the amount of hysteria here since legislation is not even in place and the solutions are certainly not decided.Â
I for one welcome it. No one is saying it is going to drive the car for you.Â
As I read this it is about applying a varying speed limit which can be overridden by the driver at a moments notice again by a method and no doubt many multiple solutions that manufactures will decide. It is not saying the car will be driven for you.Â
As someone who firmly believes most Audi drivers, almost anything made in Solihull and Qashqai drivers should be dragged from their vehicles and shot at the side of the road as not one of them seems to understand the concept of a 30mph speed limit or any other, this can only be a good thing.Â
About a year ago there was a lengthy thread about how MX-5 drivers thought they were often tailgated. Would you not welcome a system eased the White Van back a few metres? While the driver is still in-charge all of these features will be able to be overridden and for those not in charge hopefully it may easy the workload on Sally Traffic saying âthe road is shut due to a bump.âÂ
In 25 yearâs time transport will look vastly different than it is now, and will need to be, but this potential legislation is not about to stop you doing 85 down the A5 if you so wish to. If you see it as an infringement of your liberty to casually ignore important speed limits though then maybe you should be joining the Audi drivers at the side of the road.   Â