Hi,
I have just recieved a speeding fine for doing 36 in a 30 and they have decided to send me a fine for my number plate at the same time.
They say its not legal even though its been there for over 2 years.
Can anyone point me to the regulations as I want to appeal against it.
The plate is at the end of my bonnet lid.
thanks.
I know these arent strictly allowed but are quite often overlooked by the fuzz. Sounds like youve been unlucky fella.
They are illegal i’m afraid [:(]
I have one myself, never had a tug and it has gone thru MOT with it.
It’s a risk you take…
anything reg’d after 1971 can not wear one
it’s just bad luck you got found out???
Regards
I got a normal plate cheers.
thats scuppered my little project for november before its even got off the ground,[::(] what was the damage JAY [H]
So whats wrong with it???can you post a pic and let us have a look at it???
regards
I don’t know what age your car is but if it was first registered after 010901 the plates must conform to BSAU145d which covers size, spacing, font and background and must be fitted vertically or as vertical as is reasonably practical. So if you have a “51” onwards the sticky plate on the bonnet which is nearly horizontal is obviously not complying with the regulations.
Prior to this date the rules weren’t as tight and as long as the spacing wasn’t messed about with, the font was broadly similar to what it should be and they were the right colour you would be ok but the plate still has to be displayed vertically.
Could it be the positioning that is the problem rather than the plate being the sticky type ?
I emailed the DVLA about stick on plates, as the subject comes up at intervals. This was the reply, note the Bold words, if somebody wants to ring the British standards number mentioned then that might kill this once and for all time—
This is a direct quote from the DVLA in reply to an e mail that I sent to them
Dear Mr Walton
Thank you for your email received
on 9/10/09. Your email reference number is 130980.
I have highlighted some
information in this email which may help you further.
The Road
Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) regulations 2001, took effect from 1
September 2001. These regulations introduced a mandatory character font,
provision for the optional use of the Euro-symbol, provision for the new
registration number format to take effect on that date and a new British
Standard (BS AU 145d) for the manufacture of number plates. Besides the
registration number the new British Standard made it compulsory for a number
plate to display:
Characters Size all vehicles
except motorcycles:
Height 79mm
Width 50mm
Stroke 14mm
Side margin 11mm
Top & bottom margins 11mm
Space between characters 11mm
Space between groups 33mm
Motorcycles only:
Height 64mm
Width 44mm
Stroke 10mm
Space between characters 10mm
Space between groups 30mm
Top, Side & Bottom margin
11mm
Motorists, may if they wish,
display the Euro symbol and GB national identifier on the number plate. This
will dispense with the need for a separate GB sticker when travelling within the
EU. The symbol must confirm to the EC Council Regulation 2411/98 which states
the height must be a minimum of 98mm the width must be a minimum of 40mm,
maximum of 50mm. The background must be of retro-reflecting blue with 12
retro-reflecting yellow stars at the top and the distinguishing sign of the
Member State (GB) in retro-reflecting white or yellow.
Full details (including examples
of the style and shape of number plates) can be found at our website
www.dvla.gov.uk. A copy of the new regulations can be purchased through:
HMSO (Her Majesty’s Stationary
Office)
PO Box 276
London
SW8 5DT
Regards
G Parslow
Customer Enquiries Group
DVLA
Ali G,
Sorry, I should have put more information on about the number plate. I believe the lettering, colour and plate type etc are totally standard however I think I have recieved the fine because of the positioning. My car is a 1991 Eunos V special.
When I read up about it before I bought one the regulations said as vertical as possible and so with the standard front holes for the standard bracket removed the next place vertical was the bonnet. However, I have seen a lot more sticky plates positioned a bit further down just after where the badge is situated and I suppose this is more vertical than on the bonnet?
I am trying to find some factual evidence so that I can challange the law as I feel the regulations are cloudy and I can not see a clear reason why this effects anyone wishing to read the number plate.
I am trying to sell my car so If I need to put the original vertical type number plate back on then I need to know as soon as possible.Maybe I should ring british standards as suggested?
Thanks for the help guys.
i was once told that its all down to reflections,camera recognition etc, etc,could be a factor,ross. anyway whats the damage you gota pay,before you are slamed into newgate prison,
Ross,
I think positioning is the issue here. Pics have been posted on the forum of 5s with stick on plates applied where the original plate plinth would have been which are easily seen and don’t differ dramatically from standard. I think they look quite good.
I think this is one of those areas where you can bend the rules slightly and get away with it but go too far and you get unwelcome attention.
Stick ons are illegal, except when they’re not.
Craigsplates manufacture them and they adhere to the 2001 regulation exactly, even down to securely fixed. This regulation gives NO mention of HOW they are to be fixed only that they are secure. From GW’s reply, the DVLA do not even know if they are legal or not.
The 2001 regulation was introduced to stop the DIY sticky plate kits being used.
What does - ‘‘stick ons are illegal except when they’re not’’ supposed to mean??? Am I missing something here or is that a really dumb sentence?
I did actally buy my stick on plate from Craigs plates and I believe the lettering type, height etc is standard.
If you say the regualation gives no mention of how they are to be fixed can you tell me where the regulation resides so I can study it myself?
Many thanks.
Ross.
ross:
I did actually buy my stick on plate from Craigsplates and I believe the lettering type, height etc is standard.
You surely read this in the FAQ on the Craigsplates website:
Dear Mr Geoff Walton,
Thank you for the email.
Please be advised that the DVL should answer any inquiries regarding number plates. BSI might assist you only if the enquiry is related to VIN numbers.
We do have British standards related to number plates such as BS AU 145d Specification for retro reflecting number plates
This British Standard specifies requirements for retro reflecting number plates for vehicles. The standard includes requirements for colorimetric and photometric properties and tests for weather resistance, resistance to impact, bending, vibration,corrosion, solvents, water and extremes of temperature. Should you have an enquiry relating to that please email knowledgecentre@bsigroup.com
Regards
Customer Services Advisor
Customer Services.
So I forwarded this to the DVLA and got this reply
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Watch this space for the next instalment
—
Does this mean that the piece of white card that I have written the reg number on with blue marker pen is illegal then…
Probably, unless it’s a stick on then maybe…—
Last but not least, in fact the most important post of all these—
Thank you for your email received on 13/10/09. Your email reference number is
130980.
The Road Vehicles (Display of
Registration Marks) Regulations 2001, requires all front and rear number plates
to be fixed in a vertical position or in a position as close as possible to
vertical. They must also be displayed in such a position that in normal
daylight, the characters of the registration mark are easy distinguishable. In
addition, the number plate must not be displayed in a manner which impairs the
making of a true photographic image of the plate through the medium of camera
and film or any other device.
A vinyl (stick-on) number plate
displayed on the bonnet of a vehicle would not comply with the display
requirements as it could not be easily read through an Automatic Number Plate
Reader (ANPR) device for example.
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