Top Gear magazine compares MX-5 and new MINI roadster

This month’s (March) Top Gear magazine has a review of the new MINI roadster, which makes a sideways reference to the MX-5.

Quick quote:

“…But what it is not is a sports roadster. And here we come to the big elephant in the corner of the room, waiting to squat on and crush every little front-drive convertible. It’s the Mazda MX-5. Because this is a Mini, you don’t sit low and snug. You aren’t over the back wheels, and there isn’t a long bonnet ahead of you. It doesn’t have the steering purity of a rear-driver or the slickness of gearchange. The Mazda is simply more special. The Mini feels like the last Mini you drove.”

But the not so good news is on the same page in a box-out which talks solely about “the rival” - the MX5- 2.0:

“A proper small sports car - you sit lower and it’s more agile and pure. But more thirst and CO2 for less poke”

And that, I think, is Mazda’s problem. The MX-5 is still the niche leader, but it is in need of a refresh. If nothing else, its engines need to be modernised to give it brochure appeal when compared against its rivals.

Mmmm, I’m worried about the ND; a smaller engine? yep, get that, but an engine that spits out nothing but daisies and little fluffy bunnies from its exhaust ain’t a sportscar…

Sorry, but I’m all for global warming Big Smile

I don’t think mazda would put out an underpowered MX-5, unless it was part of a model range that also included an engine with some poke. But 5s have never been about outright speed or power. So I really don’t see them trying to go much more powerful than we have at the moment.

But I think they do need to modernise. Punters increasingly look for efficiency as well as fun. So their next engine should have mpg and CO2 that are comparable with the opposition for a similar amount of power. Otherwise mags like top gear will mark them down and we know that some folk believe everything they read and won’t think for themselves.

 The smaller engine but with a turbo as standard sounds good to me as long as it has enough BHP and a good rev range.

 I think you will find to hit an emission sweet spot that it may be a bit guttless.

eddie

What Car reviewed the mini a few weeks ago…

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/mini-roadster-review/261151

and concluded by saying:

“Just bear in mind that you’ll probably have more fun driving the Mazda (MX-5).”

Enough said…Big Smile

These magazine reviews are a waste of time. It doesn’t matter how much fun they say the MX5 is, it isn’t transforming into sales. Once the two expected low cost rwd rivals go on sale in the next 5 years, I reckon Mazda will be lucky to sell 10-15,000 MX5s a year, worldwide. I don’t think that is viable for a company like Mazda, if they are having to share space on the line with Mazda3s and Mazda6s. Mazda missed a trick by not building on a clear defined look for the MX5; almost as soon as Tom Matano left, there seemed this insane desire to make the MX5 look like a Mazda6. Briefly, the NC looked like it was asserting a distinct MX5 identity, all undone with the NC2 facelift, which pulled in other Mazda design motifs. Make a MX5 look like a Mazda would be all very well if Mazda was BMW or Mercedes, since those are aspirational brands, but Mazda isn’t. They should have made other Mazdas look like a MX5.

 

MINI has it sussed; common platform across the range (at Cowley), leading to commonality of tools, and lower manufacturing costs. Ford et al., who make relatively low volume CCs, farm it all out to specialist builders; they don’t build in house.

The RX9 is never going to happen, so the MX5 will be the only rwd vehicle Mazda builds that isn’t a truck.

 

Mazda abandoned the MZR last year, when they announced they weren’t going to be doing any more development on the engine, focusing on the Skyactiv instead. Ford will be continuing to develop their version, separate from Mazda. Crazy decision by Mazda, because the Skyactiv is not going to work by shoehorning it into a steel NCEC shell. Euro Six reggies will not hurt the MZR, as emission levels are not changing for petrol engines. By taking this decision, they can’t even copy the aftermarket, by fitting a 2.3/2.5 MZR as a stopgap (a FR 2.5 MZR would be a new development of the MZR), if the life of the NC has to be extended to 2016.

By all accounts, the new engine is struggling for power, hence talk of fitting turbos to get the power up to 150hp (versus 160 for the 2.0l MZR). If they fitted this engine into a facelifted NCEC, it will be horrible. All the reviews will focus how Mazda has gone back, and they will bang on about lag ruining the driving experience. The only way this engine should appear in a MX5 is in a clean sheet ND design, that employs more lightweight construction than present, in order to maintain the present performance level.

“brochure appeal” that says a lot about the modern motor industry’s products. packed to the gunwalls with electrical gizmos,impressive  0 to 60 times and bhp.  however, basics like dual mass fly wheels, clutches and complete engines that fail on new mass production cars. oh  and no spare wheel because your heated seat weigh too much. 

lol at “at’s” (imagine this in caps) post. oh how true! you were obviously typing that while i was rolling my eyes and tuting loudly. 

sorry for no caps this reply was ruined by blackberry.

Am with you 100% and I like the way you put it.

Rod

Clapping hands in the air

 I owned one of the first new mini Coopers, and now have the MK3 MX5, I can’t imagine that the new Mini roadster will “feel” much different from the current Mini range.

The MX5 looks so different from the other Mazda cars…The Mini looks like a Mini…therefore common as muck

My driving experience in the MX5 absolutely spanks the mini, for me the MX5 wins hands down.

 My experience of “Mini/BMW” dealerships would also steer me away from going back down that route

The Mini convertible looks like a pram…and a crap oneThumbs Down

A mini cooper driver thought he would give my 3.5 ST a hard time whilst out for a quiet country drive. The rest as they say " Was History " for this particular  Mini.  Probably have more fun in a 5, Top Gear your having a laugh. I built sleeker looking soap box racers as a kid than this mini convertible.

Probably? Probably? Probably?

What planet are they on?