Touring in France

I have done it. Booked on the tunnel for 2 weeks in France. Normandy for 4 days, Ile de Re for a night, onto Duras, between Bordeaux and Bergerac, 1 night in the Loire Valley on the way back.

I have the Toll widget, the clean air pass, hi vis vests et al.

Anyone with experience of touring in France got any “must know” tips?

I have a slight concern about the tunnel/train as my car is slightly lowered but I am guessing that people get on with Lambos and so on so I may be worried about nothing.

Any thoughts that anyone has to offer gratefully received!

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The linked article contains some useful tips (and RAC product offerings…)

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Nice route, is on our list todo but we are planning on doing it with a campervan. Looking forward to photos.

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I found this generalised article, which had a few points even a French friend didn’t know about Crit Air!

Taking your car on holiday means freedom – but traffic cops abroad are just as thirsty for drivers’ cash as they are at home, says James Foxall

Smooth unclogged motorways, tree-lined A-roads with the odd Citroën 2CV pottering along at snail’s pace, bucolic villages with welcoming bars and restaurants. That’s one fantasy version of driving on the European continent. The reality is slightly different.

It’s a minefield of different laws with their enforcers waiting to slap the unwary driver with a potentially pricey fine. We look at the main ones to be aware of before you set off on a European road trip this summer.

Do you really need a UK sticker, or will old GB stickers be OK?

Following Brexit, and as a show of solidarity with Northern Ireland, the government applied to the United Nations to change our country identifier from GB to UK. That means any GB sticker is no longer valid.

Government advice is to remove or cover GB stickers; you can buy UK items to fit a standard registration plate. You could try driving without one altogether but if you’re stopped by police in an EU country and they’re having a bad day, you could receive a 150-euro (£127) fine.

What emissions sticker do you need before driving into a French town?

Just as our Ultra Low Emissions Zones only affect certain cities, so the French Crit’Air system is only applicable in some areas between 8am and 8pm, Monday to Friday. You don’t need to apply for a Crit’Air sticker to enter France, only certain conurbations.

Cities where your car currently needs a Crit’Air sticker are Paris, Lyon, Rouen, Reims, Saint Etienne, Aix-Mbehindille, Toulouse, Strasbourg, Montpellier and Grenoble. But this is set to expand. The good news is that once you have a Crit’Air permit it’s valid for the life of the vehicle.

There are six different coloured Crit’Air stickers which identify vehicles’ emissions. These enable authorities to ban the most polluting from built-up areas when the air quality is poor.

Green Crit’Air “0” stickers signify zero emissions vehicles such as EVs. The dirtiest cars wear grey Crit’Air “5” badges, reserved for older diesels. Many zones ban Crit’Air 5-classed vehicles altogether. Most people will need a Crit’Air 1, for plug-in hybrids and vehicles meeting Euro 5 or 6 emissions regulations.

You should apply for the sticker online before travelling; you can’t buy them over the counter in France. They cost just £4 (including postage) via the official French government website. Beware convincing-looking unofficial sites selling Crit’Air stickers, which have been known to charge up to six times the official price.

The fine for not having a valid sticker when it’s required starts at 68 € (£57). “Fines can be given by both cameras and police on the streets, so for the sake of £4, it’s worth getting one,” said the AA’s Jack Cousens.

What about the rest of Europe?

Perhaps surprisingly, Italy has the most low-emissions zones of any country in Europe. The easiest way to discover these is looking up the region you’re visiting. The majority simply ban vehicles that are Euro 2 exhaust emissions or earlier (mainly old bangers) but it’s still worth checking.

The Italians are also partial to a zona a traffico limitato (low-traffic neighbourhood) – which can catch out the unwary. Look for the signs around cities. The fines vary depending on location but are typically around 65 € (£55). If you incur one of these in a hire car, you’ll probably pay the perennially pesky “admin fees” on top.

Germany has gone big on low emissions zones, too. Drivers need an emissions sticker to drive fine-free in pretty much every German city. The easiest way to get the 6 € (£5.10) sticker is from the state website of the area you’re travelling to.

What happens if you get snapped by a speed camera?

One upside of Brexit is that if a camera catches you speeding in a European Union country you’ll no longer have to pay a fine. This is because the EU Cross Border Enforcement Directive doesn’t apply to UK-registered cars.

So, French – or for that matter, Belgian, Dutch, German, Italian or Spanish – speed cameras can snap you endlessly, but their operators won’t be able to request owner details from the Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) back in Swansea.

Yet that doesn’t mean owners of UK-registered cars can break the speed limit with impunity. European police operate plenty of mobile speed traps. If you’re caught by one, the fine is likely to be on-the-spot. And there’s no dodging those.

How big is the fine for having speed camera detection on your satnav?

It’s been illegal to have an in-car speed camera detector in France since 2012. That’s regardless of whether you’re using it; it includes satnavs that feature fixed speed camera warnings.

Insurers claim some police cars are fitted with speed camera detector detectors for stopping drivers they believe are breaking this law. Satnavs with speed camera warnings are harder to spot and police will probably only discover these if they’ve already stopped you for another transgression.

Insurers claim some French police cars are fitted with speed camera detector detectors

It’s easiest to disable the feature in the car’s menu – or if you use a camera detector, leave it at home. It’s worth it: the fine for having one is up to 1,500 € (£1,260).

Speed camera detectors are illegal in other countries but not illegal enough to attract fines. Apart, that is, from the Netherlands and Spain where the fines are 450 € (£379) and 500 € (£421) respectively.

Do you still need to carry a breathalyser?

The breathalyser law in France was always a weird one. The fine for not having a disposable breathalyser was only 11 € (around £9), when the breathalysers themselves often cost a lot more. And you had to carry two because if French police stopped you and used one, you couldn’t legally continue your journey without a working breath test.

Then in 2013 they changed the law so you still had to carry a breathalyser but there was no sanction if you didn’t. Finally in 2020, they ended the lunacy and decreed that carrying a breathalyser was no longer a legal requirement.

So despite what some motor retailers would have you believe, you no longer need one. Common sense does sometimes prevail.

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I’ve been on many many driving trips through Europe and inevitably France in particular during my 65 orbits of the sun.

My top recommendation, aside from dealing first with all the legal stuff, is whenever possible avoid the motorways, unless you are time constrained to meet a ferry for example.

Taking your time particularly in a 2CV or MX-5 with the roof down crusin’ along almost empty back roads in the middle of nowhere is just as relaxing as sitting on the beach for my money.

Bon chance !

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I think I will get some breakdown cover as it feels like tempting fate not to have it. RAC is very comprehensive but pricey so I am still shopping around if anyone has any recommendations.

I will post some pics when able.

On the legality of camera warnings, I am now a little paranoid about Waze and Google maps. Could these be deemed” illegal” if they are showing fixed camera positions?

I have been humming and hawing over motorway use. I have some long stints planned so was thinking motorways would be easier, but now I am pulling out my Michelin paper maps and thinking again on route planning. Looking to see if I can spot any routes that have the green borders which, thanks to Harry’s Garage on You Tube I now know means that it will be a scenic drive. Not necessarily the best drivers road, but worth driving for the views. Back down the rabbit hole for me then!

Thanks for all the info.

On my last trip I used Waze and selected avoid motorways in settings and did not worry about getting caught with it by the Police. Waze did not show all camera positions, there are some sneaky new ones which might be worth familiarizing yourself with on Google, though rigourously sticking to speed limits is the safest option.

I am with RAC here in the UK and despite the expense I get RAC European cover for peace of mind.

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Flashing your headlights doesn’t have the meaning that is commonly understood in the UK. It is always a warning in France, so don’t flash people to ‘let them out’ etc.

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Have a look at Driver Guardian

https://driverguardian.co.uk/breakdown-cover

They cover my 1993 Eunos for UK & Europe

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Get a quote from these guys too……

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Useful Link for the ETIAS visa waiver you will need for next year

If you’ve lost your winter fuel allowance, and over 70, the ETIAS is free :sunglasses:

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Priorité a droite!! Look this up, it’s very important if you haven’t driven in France before.

Basically, in many towns, traffic approaching from your right has right-of-way. It’s very alien to us to be on the ‘main’ road and have to give way to someone on a side road, but that’s the reality in France.

Thankfully it no longer applies on most out of town roads, but can be a pain the the ■■■■ in old towns and villages as the locals will just sail across your bows without even looking.

Be afraid - be VERY afraid!

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…and one of the most dangerous things you will do if it’s your first time in France is stop for fuel in a French town. After you’ve filled up, the natural thing to do is to exit the petrol station on the wrong side of the road. Mate of mine on a bike almost got wiped out doing this.

Edit: Forgot to say - we’re in the Loire (at the coast) 2 Sept - 9 Sept.

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I was aware of giving way from the right, but hadn’t actually clocked that you could be on the main road and that someone entering from a side road might have priority! I will look some more!

We are inland in the Loire staying at Abbaye de Fontevraud in the Parc Naturel north of Loudun. Bit after your dates too. Have a great time.

You won’t have a problem getting on the shuttle as you say I have seen some really low cars get on without issues.
You do need to carry with you the cars documents, V5 , insurance and MOT .
Enjoy your trip.

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Waze has an automatic clever work around for countries (including France) that have laws against ‘Speed camera detection’ instead of pre warning you of a ‘speed camera’ it pre warns you of ‘Police ahead’ (so technically not warning you of a camera) - we found this last year (even on motorways) and sure enough where there was a Police warning there just happened to be a camera :laughing: when crossing the border to Spain it automatically reverted to ‘speed camera ahead’

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Well, everything has been said here, just; as you buy your crit’air sticker …don’t do like me and take the first site which appears when searching for it, as always i overrushed my decision and payed too much; 20 eur for the service/sticker while i could had it for 5 eur (French governemental site) with exactly the same service>/delivery (mostly 5-6 days). So be smart and save 15 eur.

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Thanks for the tip on Waze, that is a concern out of the way!

I did get my Crit’Air sticker form the official website so looks like I won there. Not had it though. Ahh the Royal Mail! I do have a paper one by email that I can cut out if it doesn’t turn up.

Thanks again to all for taking the time to add info, much appreciated.

As long as you have registered for a sticker you’re OK. Take the receipt with you in case of the extremely unlikely event that anyone asks for the sticker. (Highly, highly unlikely!)

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Does Belgium have a Crit Air equivalent?