5th & now 6th (šŸ™ˆ) MX5 & the beginnings of a Rocketeer build

Maybe it would help the experts if you could remind them of the problem ?
It can be a pain to have to trawl back through a long thread…

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As I said, I wasn’t criticising - its just it seems markedly quieter on the forums these days.

I’ve also posted seperate topics in the electrical section of the site.

Like I said, no judging or criticism from me; if anyting I was just surprised. I much prefer using a forum to social media, but maybe thats the way things are going.

And with regards to reposting the problem, it was only 7 posts and 2 days ago :slight_smile: But I shall!

I’m reposting the video as suggested:

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I’ve swapped the looms again, checked grounds, checked fuses.

Because both looms display EXACTLY the same symptoms it must be something to do with the wiring left on the car. The only modifications or adjustments i’ve made to the car since it was all working:

  • Removed original ECU
  • Removed dashboard and all electronics
  • Removed engine and therefore disconnected everything that attached to that
  • Removed front bumper and disconnected horn etc
  • Removed gearbox and electrical connections

Some thoughts (and i’m not even a novice, more of a nov)

The ECU is unlikely to be the issue as the rocketter uses a different ECU anyway. The Gearbox wires have been attached and not attached with the same result. The engine connections are mostly disused in the Rocketter conversion for obvious reasons.

So this only leaves the dashboard.

The main dash with the speedo and stuff only uses two connectors which can’t be fitted in the wrong way.

I removed the immobiliser, but as the ECU has been removed that was attached to that immobiliser, that wont be the problem.

The fact that the wiper seem to control the power to the car and the fact that the cars becomes ā€˜powered’ when the battery is connected are the stand out symptoms.

I would have suggested the ignition switch, but does the ignition switch stop power from the battery when the battery is connected, unless the key is in the correct position? Either way, that wouldn’t explain the windscreen wiper controlling power to the car.

Andrew, when you say you’ve replaced the ā€˜loom’ which part of the loom do you mean? are you including the entire fusebox, under dash sections that are attached onto the re-enforcement bar, the rear car loom that goes back to the lights, battery etc. engine bay loom, or just one / some of these.

Carl - sorry if it wasn’t clear, it gives you an idea of the clairty of my mind with these things!

I’ve swapped out the main loom that runs from the battery to the engine (including the main fuse/relay box).

Andrew

My limited understanding suggests that the ignition switch should be stopping the flow of current to the rest ot the car from the battery? So I should change that and see if anything changes.

I can’t believe you have done, or if it would even be possible or what symptoms it would give but you haven’t connected the ignition switch connector to the wiper switch have you? From memory they are both 6 pin plugs.

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Thanks Robbie!

I don’t remember them being the same - I thought one was an 8-pin connector with one pin missing, but I might be remembering wrong!

Whilst it seems highly unlikely, for reasons I wont go in to here, I do do (I said do do!) stupid and unfathomable things from time to time.

I’m not at home today so I can’t go and look. I found this picture on the IL Motorsports website, so i was semi right - one of the connectors has a pin missing, so for me to connect those incorrectly would take superhuman effort but you never know!

Even if it isn’t that, I think your’e on the right lines - its got to be to do with igntion and/or windscreen wipers.

Although, having said the above - I wouldn’t have been able to see the back of the steering connectors very easily so that would explain somewhat how I found it possible!

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Thanks Robbie - is that for an NA? ALso what book is that in? I’ve got the individual diagrams of the wiring systems but that looks great!

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It’s from my collection of porn…

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Oooh porn indeed! Mine’s a Eunos so there might be subtle differences - need to find myself one of those though.

I find that the Roadster & MX-5 wiring tends to be very similar.

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Thanks very much for your help. When I get home i’ll check those connectors. Fingers crossed…

Lots of the car is ā€œHot at all timesā€ including things like Lights, and Room fuse and Fuel Injector fuse etc

What Robbie has said above while I was slowly checking things makes a lot of good sense.

ā€œHot in Run, or Startā€ comes from the ignition switch.
It should enable the Main Relay in the engine compartment supplying 12V to the fuel pump relay (which has a switched ground as well with various safety interlocks, varies with auto or manual).
It should enable 12V to the ignition coils (I assume you take this to the jag coil system instead?)
It should enable 12V to the Meter fuse and Engine fuse, going to injectors etc.

I don’t see as you need anything else just to get the jag engine gong with its ECU. All the rest of the stuff including charging etc is extra.

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Rebecca my ever patient (and honest) fiancĆ©e said ā€œare you going to tell them? Don’t tell them!ā€

Can you see where this is going?

It wasn’t the ignition and wiper that I’d swapped, there was another combination switch on there that was a 6 pin connector :man_shrugging:

Having searched google to check I was an absolute melon, it seems nobody else in the world has managed this. Sorry all, I was so stupid.

Thanks for all your help, patience and electronic mastery - social thanks to Roadster Robbie in that regard.

Anyway, as soon as I switched those, I reconnected the battery, the key now works, as does the heater and the windscreen wipers!

I’m off to ask myself some pretty searching questions and drink wine.

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:+1:t4:the important thing is you have fixed it so can carry on! (oh and drink wine)

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