While im looking ahead for future mods i was trying to compare the BBR packages side by side. not easy to do on their website.
so i lifted the values off in 250rpm intervals to overlay them on a BHP power curve.
then decided to break down the £’s spent per horse on each of the packages.
I havent done torque, as i think it would get to messy.
*note the ‘baseline’ on this is my ecu dyno output from the 175 map, so gives that as a base curve. however the cost per horse is based off a 160bhp starting point.
all data taken from BBR’s site of course.
Hope someone finds this useful when looking at future upgrades
The addition of a 2.5 inch diameter high performance TIG welded stainless steel exhaust centre section (£495.00) allied to stainless steel 2.5 inch BBR silencers (£395.00) boosts peak power to 214 bhp and torque to a mighty 183 lb.ft
A fitted price is:
the Super 200 is available at £2795+VAT fitted (including dyno testing.)
I didn’t check the others; it was just that having had Super 200 and an exhaust fitted to my car your figure struck me as too low.
ah yea i forgot to add that in. i just took the face value ‘package’ numbers.
added in their suggested center section and backbox (which is showing as £1224 combined in the basket).
thanks for the spot, original post edited to reflect.
The current BBR manifold for the Super 200 (post ND2 introduction) doesn’t yield as much power, but more torque. About 202-205 bhp with full exhaust. BBR aren’t that forthcoming about this on their website, and it can lead to some (on-paper at least) disappointment. Drives brilliantly through.
Ah I see, so the 160bhp is wheel horsepower. Crank hp is quoted as 181. So it seems all the figures are WHP. So crank HP is probably closer to 300bhp for the turbo. Which, if my maths is correct, is about 10psi boost.
not sure how we have crossed there, but no. there no numbers here which are wheel horse, on this thread. everything is calculated Bhp
Unless i am to be corrected.
BBR do state in afew places too ‘engine hp’ with the figures used above
also for the supercharger, they specifically throttle the bhp to 250. this is in the parts list. its also why there is a flat peak power ‘cap’ on the stage 1 and stage 2.
(although i havent seen it in writing, i believe the reason why it doesnt hit the 300bhp+ like the NC does with the similar kit is that the ND gearbox will go pop quite quickly. you will need to overcome that before BBR will give you the map required to remove that intake restriction. )
181 bhp is the converted quoted figure for the 2L engine found in ND2 (2019+) MX-5s, I say converted quoted as it is listed as 184 ps / 135 kW in the brochure.
My understanding is that this thread is covering the 2L engine found in ND1 (2015-2018) MX-5s, @DirtyHabit has a 2016 Recaro Edition (I believe).
However, 160 bhp is technically an inaccurate starting figure; the figures quoted in brochures are 160 ps / 118 kW, there isn’t a bhp value given. The converted starting bhp for a ND1 is ~158 bhp but now we are just getting into the weeds debating 2 units of power (1.27% of the total figure so somewhat negligible).
The restriction is the engine / fuel system I believe, not the gearbox. Neil advised they have builds running 400bhp+ on ND gearboxes. I’m not sure how i’d feel running that kind of power with an ND box (its bad enough running the 250bhp with one) but Neil assured me there are cars out there.
Thanks OP. I am mulling getting the Super 175 remap to my 2.0 ND1. Is there anyone out there willing to share their experience with this. The " £ per bhp" on face of it looks a relatively good deal but im more interested in driveabilty than overall bhp, does it make an appreciable difference? There was a glowing review of it in last month’s Evo magazine but i remain a little sceptical. I do about 8000 mikes per year in mine with regular trackdays.
At the price ~£7000 for the BBR SuperC stage 2 I start to wonder how things are going at the Rocketeer. I’ve heard they are working on a V6 conversion kit for the ND.
Think The ND Rocketeer is quite a long way off.
They have only just got the NC conversion sorted and the NC demonstrator isnt up and running yet as far as i know but it was up on the ramp waiting its engine return from Basset Down so may be due to hit the tarmac soon.
Im in line for one of the 1st NC conversions but probably not due until April/May this year im guessing.
